Re: [ga] Comments about censorship and other stuff... dont read it! (lets talk about WG-C proposals!)

["Javier Rodriguez" <jrl@mail.lima.net.pe>]

Hi Patricio !

(Excuse a little moment all the english speaking fellows:  Hola Patricio!
un gusto saludarte y saber de ti, no es raro perderse en todo esto, es
mucho mail y tratare de resumirte los puntos... ya en otra ocasion ha
sucedido con 2 hermanos latinos y te contesto con el fraterno respeto
de un hermano y amigo).  Back to my broken english ...

a) The "censorship" stuff is not only related to the Dennis problem, there
     is the Baptista case, there is Jeff, Dave, there was some accusations
     about more than 14 people not allowed to post, a peruvian fellow
    and good friend included in that list, there is some people that say that
    more than 400 members of their association are not allowed to subscribe
    to the list and... yes! you can put anything on this tale of censorship.  I am
    not saying what is true or what is false, this is just a try to "resume" the
     state of the "censorship" accusations (sp!).
b) This is noise, more noise and more lost time because there is no clear
     rules about what is allowed and not allowed on the list.
c) I correct myself... there is a plain rule "to respect member of the list"... the
    thing that is not elaborated is WHO is in charge of saying what is correct
    and what is not correct.  My point is that someday a person or group of
    persons in charge of the DNSO GA mailing list can say "hey guy! you
    can not say that Mr. Perfect, our dear Chairman of the Board of Directors
    has made this or that against the ICANN bylaws... this is a lack of the
    respect that you must give him... so, you are banned, you are out of the
    GA list, you are out as a member of the GA... "

You can see that the problem is the lack of a bodie, or the lack of rules to
ban people, to rule WHO and WHEN someone can say "bye bye!" to
the GA members.  It is something that needs to be done.   Thats all.

But, at the same time, my point is that we must talk about the WG-C proposal and the
AT Large elections, and look for help to translate the documents related
to the AT Large elections to many languages.

Patricio, Araucan is a live language in your country ?

Buen dia amigo ! Y un abrazo desde Peru.

Javier


At 11/26/99 8:57:00 AM, you wrote:
>[">" = Javier Rodriguez]
>> 
>> b) There is just SILENCE from the board about the Censorship that
>>      seems to be disrupting the fairness of the process.
>
>Javier,
>
>Sorry if I have missed some of the discussions, so can you please explain to
>me what exactly this "censorship" is about?
>
>As far as I know, the fact that some of Dennis Schaefer's messages do not
>get archived has already been explained. His messages arrive all with the
>same message ID:
>
>  Message-id: <MAPI.Id.0016.00303969726238313030304330303043@MAPI.to.RFC822>
>
>The archiving software (MHonArc) relies on the message IDs to identify
>messages, so if his mailing client is broken, there is no need to blame
>the board or the DNSO for it.
>
>Is there anything else to this "censorship" issue?
>
>Patricio Poblete
>
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Javier Rodriguez                     jrl@mail.lima.net.pe
AXISNET                                    VicePresident
Peruvian Association of Internet Users and ISPs
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