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[ga] Re: [Attention Becky Burr and Elisabeth Porteneuve] Re: BOUNCEga@dnso.org: Header field too long (>1024)

This whole cc claim is getting a bit lame people.  The whole ICANN thing
is amounting to crap and a us government embarrasment.  IBM should be very
very scared.

When netcitizens discover there's IBM garbage in the ICANN process alot of
you are going to get fucked by your own fuckups.

The very principles of communication and the foundation and integrety of
the US government on the net is about to be bastardised by this massive
srewup called thd dnso - icann and ibm.

You all so many flys freshly stuck in amber with a future that is no
better the fossil relics.  Pat yourselves on the back for that is the sum
total of your collective accomplishments.

Regards
Joe Baptista

On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:

> Dear DNSO list admin or Elisabeth,
> 
>   I only do, and have done so as I have repeatedly stated to you
> on several private posts sense August 7th 1999, because as of
> that date or there about I was SELECTIVELY CENSORED.
> Hence making it necessary to BCC or CC those on the list and
> also those responsible.  This will continue until or unless I am freely
> able to post directly to the DNSO GA and any other DNSO mailing list
> as required under the ICANN Bylaws, the MoU and the White Paper.
> 
>   So as you well know, your statement here is technically and practically
> incorrect.
> 
> DNSO Listadmin wrote:
> 
> > You are filtering yourself from the ga@dnso.org list
> > each time you set a long CC/To list.
> > --
> >
> > > From DNSO.Listadmin@dnso.dnso.org Tue Jan 11 22:31 MET 2000
> > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:31:55 +0100 (MET)
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org
> > > To: owner-ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: BOUNCE ga@dnso.org: Header field too long (>1024)
> > >
> > > >From ga-listadmin@dnso.dnso.org  Tue Jan 11 22:31:53 2000
> > > Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110])
> > >       by dnso.dnso.org (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA12378;
> > >       Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:31:51 +0100 (MET)
> > > Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-33qscse.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.51.142])
> > >       by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15258;
> > >       Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:31:09 -0500 (EST)
> > > Message-ID: <387BBAD3.6B4D5AC3@ix.netcom.com>
> > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:20:52 -0800
> > > From: Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > Organization: INEGroup Spokesman
> > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win95; U; 16bit)
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > CC: "John B. Reynolds" <john@reynolds.chicago.il.us>,
> > >         "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>,
> > >         shollenb@netsol.com, Andrew Pincus <APincus@doc.gov>,
> > >         Becky Burr <bburr@ntia.doc.gov>,
> > >         DNSO Listadmin <DNSO.Listadmin@dnso.org>,
> > >         ecommercecommission Public comments <PUBCOM@gmu.edu>,
> > >         Elloit Maxwell <emaxwell@doc.gov>, Eric Menge <Eric.Menge@sba.gov>,
> > >         Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>,
> > >         George Conrades <gconrades@icann.org>,
> > >         james tierney <james.tierney@usdoj.gov>,
> > >         Jane Coffin <jcoffin@ntia.doc.gov>,
> > >         "Joe (Virus Laden Web Page Expert) Sims" <Joe_Sims@jonesday.com>,
> > >         Larry Irving <lirving@ntia.doc.gov>,
> > >         Laura Bailyn <laura_bailyn@markle.org>,
> > >         Linda Wilson <lswilson@free.midcoast.com>,
> > >         "Louis L. Touton" <Louis_L._Touton@jonesday.com>,
> > >         Louis Touton <touton@icann.org>, Mike Roberts <mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us>,
> > >         "vinton g. cerf - ISOC" <vcerf@MCI.NET>,
> > >         William Daley <wdaley@doc.gov>
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] vaticano.org allegations
> > > References: <000401bf5c69$5877f040$be65080a@p8101190.navtech-chi>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >
> > > John and all,
> > >
> > >   Looks like another of ICANN's oversight problems, meaning lack thereof.
> > > Typical...  We should or can expect this form a rouge ICANN, and a DNSO
> > > that has gone rouge as well...  Shame really.  I suppose that the Stakeholders
> > > shall also have to be "Confused" by this inconsistency as well, given that the
> > > Catholic Church is involved here...
> > >
> > > John B. Reynolds wrote:
> > >
> > > > One of the things that "seems odd" about this story is that the message from
> > > > NSI that is quoted in the press release is a response to an attempt to
> > > > modify contact information and/or name servers, not a payment attempt.
> > > > Another is that vaticano.org is *not* now registered to the Vatican:
> > > >
> > > >  Registrant:
> > > >  Antonio Cappella (VATICANO17-DOM)
> > > >     Via Prati della Farnesina 43
> > > >     Rome, RM 00194
> > > >     IT
> > > >
> > > >     Domain Name: VATICANO.ORG
> > > >
> > > >     Administrative Contact:
> > > >        Francesco, De Menna  (DMF160)  dmf@DMS.IT
> > > >        ++39-06-2291650 (FAX) ++39-06-2291650
> > > >     Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> > > >        De Menna, Giancarlo  (GD3295)  dmg@DMS.IT
> > > >        ++39-06-2291650 (FAX) ++39-06-2291650
> > > >     Billing Contact:
> > > >        DM Soft S.r.l.  (DS705-ORG)  dmsoft@DMS.IT
> > > >        ++39-6-2291650
> > > >  Fax- ++39-6-2291650
> > > >
> > > >     Record last updated on 10-Dec-1999.
> > > >     Record created on 10-Dec-1999.
> > > >     Database last updated on 10-Jan-2000 13:08:41 EST.
> > > >
> > > >     Domain servers in listed order:
> > > >
> > > >     NS.DMS.IT                   151.4.33.12
> > > >     DM1.DMS.IT                  151.4.33.9
> > > >
> > > > Compare to:
> > > >
> > > >  Registrant:
> > > >  Vatican City State, Holy See Secretariatof State (VATICAN4-DOM)
> > > >     Cortile del Triangolo
> > > >     Vatican City, Vatican City State 00120
> > > >     VA
> > > >
> > > >     Domain Name: VATICAN.NET
> > > >
> > > >     Administrative Contact:
> > > >        Zoebelein, Judith [Sister]  (JZ146)  sjz@VATICAN.VA
> > > >        39-6-69882354
> > > >     Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
> > > >        Pasquini, Stefano  (PS368)  pasquini@VATICAN.VA
> > > >        +39-06-69882354 (FAX) +39-06-69882067
> > > >
> > > >     Record last updated on 25-Nov-1996.
> > > >     Record created on 25-Jun-1996.
> > > >     Database last updated on 10-Jan-2000 13:08:41 EST.
> > > >
> > > >     Domain servers in listed order:
> > > >
> > > >     MICHAEL.VATICAN.VA          212.77.0.2
> > > >     DNS.IT.NET                  151.1.1.1
> > > >     NS1.PIPEX.NET               158.43.192.7
> > > >     GABRIEL.VATICAN.VA          194.91.153.249
> > > >     NS0.PIPEX.NET               158.43.128.8
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Michael
> > > > > Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2000 11:30
> > > > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > > > Cc: shollenb@netsol.com
> > > > > Subject: [ga] vaticano.org allegations
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > According to the web page at http://www.rtmark.com/etoyvaticano.html,
> > > > > Network solutions spontaneously refused to allow the owners or
> > > > > vaticano.org to re-register the domain, and transferred it to the Vatican.
> > > > > It had been, the web page says, a heretical site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's the key allegation (reformatted):
> > > > >
> > > > > "At the expiring of the first year of contract , Network Solutions (the
> > > > > company that sells Internet domain names), prevented 0100101110101101.ORG
> > > > > from renewing the contract of "vaticano.org", which had been regularly
> > > > > bought. Network Solutions refused all the attempts of payment and,
> > > > > immediately upon the expiring of the contract, sold the domain name to a
> > > > > Catholic association in Rome.
> > > > >
> > > > > "> From: Domain Registration Role Account domreg@internic.net
> > > > > > Subject: Re: MODIFY DOMAIN vaticano.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your request for MODIFY DOMAIN vaticano.org. could not be automatically
> > > > > processed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your request has been queued for manual processing. This
> > > > > request will be
> > > > > processed in
> > > > > > accordance with established procedures."
> > > > >
> > > > > There are some things about the story that seem odd, not least the claim
> > > > > that original registration was just for one year (I thought they were
> > > > > always for 2 years?).
> > > > >
> > > > > Nevertheless, I would like to hear Network Solutions' side of the story,
> > > > > please.
> > > > >
> > > > > If it were the case that NetSol spontaneously refuses re-registrations for
> > > > > religious or political reasons, this would of course confirm every worst
> > > > > fear people have had about the DNS being used as a chokepoint to make it
> > > > > more difficult for some ideas to be found on the Internet.
> > > > >
> > > > > NSI knows that, which is why this is so hard to believe.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > A. Michael Froomkin   |    Professor of Law    |   froomkin@law.tm
> > > > > U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA
> > > > > +1 (305) 284-4285  |  +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax)  |  http://www.law.tm
> > > > >                         -->It's warm here.<--
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > Contact Number:  972-447-1894
> > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> Contact Number:  972-447-1894
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> 
>