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Re: Re: [ga] Proposal for mailing list policy
Harald wrote:
>
>In the discussion about whether to impose rules that may lead to
Baptista
>being excluded from posting for certain periods of time, I find
responding
>to Baptista relevant.
I agree on that, of course.
>
>> Why can't there be two (or more) lists? The uncensored list, which
would
>> be the "official" record, and a "filtered" list (or more than one),
where
>> everyone who uses that list agrees to the filter rules *by the very
act
>> of subscribing to the list*.
>
>We could. But I don't belive it would be right, because it would
require
>those of us who feel obliged to participate to follow the unfiltered
list.
>If they take the responsibility of "official" action, they have the
duty of
>following the "official" discussion (IMHO).
You are right from an abstract POV, but I believe that the approach that
we shall take is more "market oriented". There's an evident need for a
"filtered" list, and I guess that we have already a good sense of the
majority for the content of the filter. Of course, the filter should be
dynamic, and include new clauses as well as releasing old ones after a
defined time frame (you'll never know - people may change). But the
percentage of people choosing either list will provide enough indication
on whether the filter is correct or needs adjustment.
>And I don't want to force anyone to listen to everything that's posted
to
>the list, no matter what its quality is; that's too harsh a punishment
for
>volunteering to do work for the community.
>
I don't see the need for reading each and every post of the unfiltered
list. A lot of people that are subscribed to the unfiltered list, but
whose postings will reach the filtered list, could easily point out to
us that criteria need revision, and a quick check on the archives could
allow us to take action.
The problem here is the efficient use of the (scarse) resources in order
to provide a better service to the maximum extent possible of people,
not to use (waste?) a huge amount of resources for making 100% happy a
minority. In Project Management you have the "golden" 80-20 rule: 80% of
the result with the 20% of the effort. Of course, if others volounteer
to do part of the job, the situation may change, but under the current
circumstances I feel obliged to take the responsibility to tell
everybody: "You can't have everything".
>Note also that the rules that I suggested do *not* envision banning a
>person permanently from the list, and do *not* envision using the
>expression of an idea as a reason for suspending people's right to
post.
Filters shall be dynamic, as I said.
>
>Numerous people have expressed support for the idea of "two lists".
>I believe they are right - the questions really boil down to:
>- Which one of these is called "ga"?
>- Which one of these is "official"?
>
>A new version of the suggestion will be forthcoming this weekend.
>The changes a majority seem to agree on are:
>
>- The "unfiltered" list will be archived.
>- The matter of publishing the "unfiltered" archives needs further
>investigation; the only argument so far against such publication is
>liability issues.
Not really, there's also another consideration.
Taking for granted that it is easier (and cheaper) to flood the GA with
messages than the Canadian Government with faxes, I tend to assume that
this is what is likely to happen.
This will mean a heavy use of the resources (besides patience), and I am
not sure that the DNSO can afford it.
Somebody on this list has already made the remark that it is easy to be
liberal with somebody else's resources. I may add that it will be a very
bad service from our part to allow monopolisation of the resources by
few people, letting the vast majority suffer from the shortage.
>
>The other issues raised:
>- Requirement for positive identification of people on the list
>- Allowing people to post using a "handle" (an identifier that is not
> connected to their name)
>- Allowing access to the email addresses of subscribers ("who")
>- The question of who decides to impose a suspension of posting rights
>do not seem to be addressed by enough people in the debate to warrant
>changing the current proposal.
>
>Joop Ternstra has volunteered the use of his facilities for conducting
an
>opinion poll of the participants in the list once the revised version
is
>released; I guess he'll tell people about the mechanics of doing so in
due
>course.
>
>I hope we'll get this done soon!
>
Regards
Roberto