Re: [ga] Final draft of proposed mailing list rules

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bradley and all,

IDNO Bootstrap wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, IDNO Bootstrap wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I must say, I really don't understand this Karl. Nevertheless, I respect
> > > your perogative in this matter, yet continue to be perplexed at why you
> > > would endorse such a destructive personna as that which exudes from Joop
> > > Teernstra.
> >
> > What do comments like these accomplish in the whole scheme of things?
> >
>
> Patrick,
>
> I know you to be a sincere and frank individual, as much as any of us can
> no one another via a strictly electronic medium.
>
> Therefore, I unreservedly consider your question as an honest probe of why
> I would bend over backward to "lash out" with, 'comments like these' - as
> you put it.
>
> Here is what I hope to accomplish:
>
> First, it should be know that I am quite sincere and convinced that Mr.
> Teernstra is a fraud, and as I also put it, "Destructive force". In my
> experience of naively having participated and served in the IDNO as a
> concerned and idealistic fool (maybe I'm being to hard on myself here) in
> hopes of building the Idno into something wonderful - the AAA of Domain
> Owners, as touted on it's once proud website.

  Your assertion towards Joop is fine and dandy, but is not supported here
or ever to my knowledge by any supportable FACTS.  Hence my earlier
suggestion as Karl Auerbach also suggested to not bring your well known
feud with Joop on this list as, first it did not originate here, second as I
already stated is not FACTUALLY supported, and third, is disruptive
in and of itself here, which you seem so concerned about.

>
>
> I held out hopes and believed that through my participation, and the
> participation of others, many of whom are estemable members of this list,
> we could affect such change. That this change would be fundamental in that
> the rights of individual domain owners would have a collective voice that
> could not merely be silenced or ignored by ICANN, or any organization that
> claimed authority over the Domain Name Space.

  ICANN has no, nor until in law is deemed to have any authority over
Domain Names.  That is one of it's fundamental problems, and continues
to be so.

>
>
> Together, myself and nearly one hundred other people shared such similar
> views, or at least harbored hopes of something on this order and lent
> support, either actively or passively, and endorsement of such an ideal.
>
> Joop Teernstra was but one of these individuals among us. Many of us wer
> approached by him, not having been indoctrinated into the DN wars, while
> others were decorated veterans bearing battle scars.
>
> Joop approached me, having found my name on a list of those who endorsed a
> letter that you yourself drafted and forwarded to Ralph Nader and James
> Love, asked if I would like to joing such an organization as what we all
> thought the IDNO stood for and best of all - - Stated that it was self
> organizing and completely democratic.
>
> What a beautiful thing!
>
> I worked closely with Joop, Srikanth, both Karls, Dan Steinberg, Rod
> Dixon, D3nnis Schaefer, William Walsh, Mikki, Andy Gardner, Kevin kelly,
> Mark Measday, and a whole bunch of other people - most of whom I
> considered mentors - on the IDNO Steering Committe.

  Well we now know about Mr. Measday, don't we?  We know also a
tremendous amount about the activities of William Walsh, that is well
documented.  Mikki Berry left the IDNO in disgust due mainly to
William Walsh's errant false claims towards Joop and others as did
Dennis Schaefer.

>

>
>
> There came a point following Santiago though, where things started looking
> ugly, one sided, and... Well... I'm not going to go into microexamination
> here of the sparks that set off the powder kegs of the JDNO's Polar Wars,
> so suffice it to say that it happened, and that fortunately it is a matter
> of public (NOT JUST FOR JDNO MEMBERS EITHER) record thanks to mine and
> several other peoples efforts - against Joops attempted refusal to permit
> (also archived).

  I take it you are referring to William Walsh's "Version" of the steering
Committee's
Archives?  If so, any archives he has are of questionable value as has been
pointed out and available on the IDNO "Official" archives.

>
>
> No one can gain a clear picture of what really happened by picking a
> random date and diving in. The only way to really understand what happened
> is to start about a month before Joop started the Polar Wars and exposed
> himself as a fascist by his own announcements. Then the dennigration into
> his exposure as fraud and liar and finally... The sole destroyer of the
> IDNO and it's rebirth as the JDNO.

  Of course this is categorically untrue.  I have spoken to several members
of the IDNO that do NOT see you "Version" as you state it here.

>
>
> That's why there's so little activity there now - Because it is dead
> defunct, and only the accolytes that can fit into Joop's little clubhouse
> mold bother to participate - or those he succesfully convinces that this
> whole thing was some kind of grandiose conspiracy by special interests to
> destroy the only possibly champion organizaion for the little bitty
> individual domain owner.

  Mike Roberts made it clear that Individual Domain Name owners
are nothing but a bunch of "Kooks" in a July '99 article in Wired.

>
>
> You asked what I hope to accomplish Patrick. Plain and simple. I'll swear
> upon a stack of Holy Bibles that I know Joop Teernstra to be a fraud, a
> liar, and a usurper of what could have been (should have been) the IDNO
> that most of us here wanted and needed.

  You could swear on a whearhouse full of Bibles, that doesn't make it so
Bradely.  If you can't prove it with creditable evidence, it is only a claim.

- snip of more nearly senseless dribble -

>
>
>
>
> --Bradley D. Thornton MCSE; MCT.--  , bootstrap  of
> the Cyberspace Association,
> the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
> http://www.idno.org  (or direct:)
> http://www.tallship.net/idno

Regards,

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