[Fwd: [ga] Re: Formal Attribution of Identity for everyday emailsources?Yes please]

[Mark Measday <measday@josmarian.ch>]

Mark Measday wrote:

> Harald,
>
> Duh,
>
> The point of the request for strong authentication is that there is currently no
> way that identity can be proven on the internet on a personal basis, other than
> statistically by the cryptanalytic techniques of semantic and textual analysis.
> (these for example, show roughly that Brian Hollingsworth, Jeff Williams, DNSIPV6
> and Louis Touton, all from the same Dallas dial-up as you know, are all probably
> the same person, but also indicate conversely (not necessarily conclusively) that
> different people write Jeff Williams at different times and, for example, different
> people appear to write Ken Stubbs, Roberto Gaetano and Kent Crispin at different
> times) There are other surprise results.
>
> This is a one to many and many to one philosophical problem.which recurs in many
> cases. Now assume that you have supplied to PSI an indication that their IP was
> used to transmit the offending message. As it happens I have no account with
> PSI-NET, but let's assume that I have.
>
> You ask PSI to block this account and they agree, but find, it's a computer in a
> bar in Gex, used by many people. You inform the French police, they lay in wait and
> catch someone, a red-headed, poorly-dressed American citizen called Jeffrey
> Williams, born in Kansas City in 1949 or thereabouts.
>
> Jeff captured for impersonating himself?
>
> MM
>
> Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
> > At 21:00 20.01.00 +0100, Mark Measday wrote:
> > >Harald,
> > >
> > >Thanks, but a reservation.
> > >
> > >There cannot be two sets of rules, one for those of us in Dallas and another
> > >for the rest of the world.
> > >
> > >1. You say there are no rules in force yet. Therefore, you cannot submit this
> > >instance until those rules have come into force. Yet, you forward something to
> > >PSI, as IP address operator. A clear procedural anomaly, no?
> >
> > If (as is common) sending forged email is against the AUP of PSI, this is
> > notifying them of an user violating their AUP.
> >
> > >2. what is the nature of the alleged abuse? It could not have been
> > >spoofing, as the email does not match the name of any list subscriber. It
> > >cannot have been spam, as there is no solicitation. It cannot be an
> > >offence to write to the list under an assumed name, as many of the list do
> > >that. It cannot be fraud, as Mr Mueller has yet to represent himself to my
> > >lawyers. Unless an offence can be found, there is no offence.
> >
> > Sending forged email.
> > BTW, Jeff Williams is a subscriber to the GA list, which got a copy of the
> > message.
> >
> > >I repeat my question:
> > >
> > > > Where is the Serjeant-at-Arms to provide the appropriate jurisprudence?
> > > >
> > >Best regards,
> > >
> > >Mark Measday
> >
> > There is no sergeant-at-arms (yet). Just us.
> >
> >                Harald A
> >
> > --
> > Harald Tveit Alvestrand, EDB Maxware, Norway
> > Harald.Alvestrand@edb.maxware.no
>
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