Re: [ga] Raising the number of ballots cast...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Bradley and all,

IDNO Bootstrap wrote:

> Well JW,
>
> I don't usually bother according your posts with a response... but your
> points do deserve comment here:
>
> On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Bradley and all,
> >
> >   I see several problems with this methodology and "Bot Product"
> > of Kents.
> >
> > 1. )  Does not provide for secret balloting
>
> This is an assembly, which implies to me a legislative body (truncated,
> but nevertheless a legislative body). Therefore, why should ballots be
> cast secretly? that would be for the At-Large Membership, not the
> {General} Assembly.

  Not so.  You experience or lack there of is showing her plainly.  Thank
you for displaying it clearly here though....

>
>
> > 2.) Does not provide for non-refutable ballot checking
>
> huh? A list of eligable voters and their email addresses are entered and
> the gate is opened. Out come the ballots. If you're a spoofed address, You
> don't get that ballot - someone else might, but you won't.

  How is a spoofed addressed determined?  What are the criterion to do
so?  This is why I listed this as a problem. Without authentication that is
non-refutable you can't be sure which addresses are valid for a relative
or even close certainty which has just recently been proved and is
as well known fact.

>
>
> > 3.) I not a broad enough method as it only provides for votes to come
> >      from members of the DNSO GA
>
> No. My understanding is that is provides for whomever you add to the
> distribution list.

  Your understanding?  That just wonderful (Sarcasm intended).  Got to
do much better than that.

>
>
> > 4.) Is too easily rigged to produce a certain result.

>
>
> How so? If your referring to the way Joop used to editorialize things on
> the ballot in the JDNO, Well, there just needs to be some simple controls
> in place as to how the actual wording and editing processes will take
> place with regards to the various referendums.

  E-mail addresses can be added at any time during the voting period
and later deleted but the tally unchanged for instance.  There are a host
of other ways as well.

>
>
> > 5.) Does not provide for oversight by a neutral party.
>
> It doesn't? What system does, when you really get right down to it.

  Many do or can be independently observed. The one the US Government
uses for military personnel overseas does for instance.  We have two
separate systems that do as well, both E-Mail based and Web based.

> Even
> Jimmy Carter can't guarantee elections completely free of voter fraud or
> government intervention.

  No not guarantee, but close enough.  This one provides NONE.

>

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>
>
> > 6.) Is untested in a reasonable manner.
>
> times a wasting isn't it?

  Yep, sure is!


>
>
>

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>
>
> Cheers
>
> > IDNO Bootstrap wrote:
> >
> > > One small note:
> > >
> > > the nice thing about a mechanism such as Kent's VoteBot is that those who
> > > are members of the list who may not be actively monitoring are reminded
> > > that there is an election pending, are sent the referendum, actually
> > > receive the ballot in their hand, and merely have to (I assume) fill it
> > > out and send it back.
> > >
> > > No browsing, or anything, it just goes out with the regular email batch.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a simpler method of voting, or for that matter, of
> > > raising voter awareness and participation - they don't even have to pay
> > > attention to the cacophany here.
> > >
> > > Anyone else have thoughts on this "Type" of methodology?
> > >
> >
>
> --Bradley D. Thornton MCSE; MCT.--  , bootstrap  of
> the Cyberspace Association,
> the constituency for Individual Domain Name Owners
> http://www.idno.org  (or direct:)
> http://www.tallship.net/idno

Regards,

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