Re: [ga] Re: Proposal for list rules/actions - More on poll results...

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Roberto and all,

  Agreed.  The poll was a good idea but not managed properly as
a result the outcome or results were moot at best and no mandate
can be determined from it.

Roberto Gaetano wrote:

> Patrick Greenwell wrote:
>
> >
> >How was it decided who was eligible to participate in the "opinion
> poll"
> >which the Chair is using as the basis for the wholesale adoption of
> >Harald's proposal? With the bragging of at least one individual that
> they
> >voted multiple times, why was this "opinion poll" used in an attempt to
>
> >validate anything other than the fact that the poll happened?
>
> You are absolutely right.
> The "opinion poll" was nothing more than an exercise in checking the
> response of the list.
> The response was poor, this is the result. With poor response, it does
> not matter whether you get one or two ballots more on one side or
> another, you just consider the outcome not statistically relevant.
>
> In other words, if the sample is not representative of the population,
> the results are not meaningful.
>
> >
> >The question of who is eligible to vote should have been the *first*
> >question throughout the ICANN process rather than an afterthought or a
> >question oft avoided, and this list is no exception. How can ANYONE
> claim
> >a course of action based on  "consensus", an "opinion poll", or a
> "vote"
> >to be valid without some objective, fraud-resistant framework for
> >conducting and gauging the results of any such mechanism? It would have
>
> >been far preferrable, and a great deal more honest in my mind for
> Roberto
> >to simply have said:
> >"lacking a framework for objective, fraud-resistant voting, I'm putting
>
> >Harald's proposal in place because we simply can't get anything done
> >without it." Instead, there is pointing to the unquestionably fradulent
>
> >results of an "opinion poll" as supporting evidence for the action.
> >
>
> To be clear, I don't think I am hiding behind a couple of votes.
> When I said that I tak "responsibility" for the action of enforcing the
> rules, I meant exactly this: blame me, not the few voters, for the
> decision.
> But the point is not fraud-resistent vote or not, the point is
> participation. I was not eager to set formal voting procedures because I
>  just don't think that it does matter when the participants are such a
> small minority. This list has only few hundred subscribers, which is
> already an infime minority of the users of the Internet, how can a vote,
>  even correctly performed, be significant when not even 10% of this
> already infime minority participates?
>
> I do not reply to the rest of your message (techniques to ensure better
> reliability of the vote), because I do not think that this is the most
> urgent item to address, but your remarks are noted for the time in which
>  a "real" vote will be held.
>
> Regards
> Roberto

Regards,

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