RE: [ga] Older registrations

[Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.net>]

At 03:49 PM 3/28/00 -0800, William X. Walsh wrote:

>The circle is broken, Simon.  The IANA did not have this authority.  Ask 
>Sexton
>for some clarification, he had an interesting exchange with Jon Postel's
>brother on a usenet newsgroup about this very subject recently.

Since you have requested some clarification from Richard, and Richard has 
requested I forward his text (unedited) in response to Dave Crocker's 
similarly incorrect assumption, it is now appropriate that I post it here. 
Also note that the IAHC mailing list archives are now conveniently missing.

I apologize to Harald & Elisabeth for the diversion from GA business.

>X-Sender: rsexton@199.166.24.1
>To: simon@higgs.net, undisclosed recipients
>From: "Richard J. Sexton" <richard@dnso.com>
>Subject: RE: [ga] Older registrations
>Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:19:46 -0500 (EST)
>
>(Feel free to redistribute this anywhere, Simon)
>
> >>The rogue effort likes to claim it worked under IANA permission.  It
> >>didn't and would never be able to prove that it did, to satisfy a
> >>judge.  We have one, relevant legal evaluation pertaining to this realm
> >>and I posted the most cogent statements from the judge's opinion.
> >
> >Let me stand in front of a judge, and let the judge decide. It's
> >interesting to note that the IAHC went way out of it's way to prevent my
> >public testimony in the past. A clever technique of subpoenaing me and then
> >refusing to take my deposition. I wonder why that was?
>
>I'd like to add I spoke to Jon Postel in person, only once, in Geneva
>in 1998. We made idle chit chat for a few minutes then I asked him
>"Jon, what the HELL were you thinking putting Metzger and Crocker
>on the IHAC committee".
>
>His answer, verbatim (you don't forget things like this) was "Well,
>you know they wern't my first choices but the other people I asked
>had no time or recused themseleves for ethical reasons so I was left
>with Dave and Perry.
>
>Perry was just a mistake. Dave is usually pretty good at keeping
>things on a technical level, but his outside communication was so bad
>it was a disaster. It was a istake and I'm really sorry it happened".
>
>John died a little over a year later, sadly, so it would be my word
>against his non-word if it were not for the fact there was a witness. I
>swear under penalty of purjery this is true and we can give this
>deposition in court if need be.
>
>Jon was hopeful about the pre IAHC new domain working group
>and I got to explain to him in Geneva some of the concept to him
>he'd not been able to hear above the hub bub of the know-it-all
>IAHC committee.
>
>Again, his exact words were "Huh, that's pretty good, I hadn't
>thought of that". In an internet of yore I'd just say what those ideas
>were, but in this day and age I see no point in giving say, register.com
>the idea. Welcome to the 21st century commercial Internet; not to
>worry though it's documented on the net and if you were in Higgs
>shared registry working group you already know what it is.
>
>Also, Kashpureff acted with Jon's blessing. Jon told him to go ahead
>to try it. When Gerry Gorman (who founded Globecomm/iname/mail.com)
>called Jon and asked about new domains, and that they were looking
>to invest, Jon turned them onto Kashpureff.
>
>So not only did Jon encourage the development of an alternative root
>system, he pointed Wall St. poeple at him. Big ISP's like best.com
>were using it, the ISP I use up here in the country was using it before
>I ever moved here or ever talked to them. Even the IAHC used
>AlterNIC roots[2], albeit unwittingly, but that's how much it was
>gaining acceptance - a lot of places really were using it. Not *ONE*
>problem was ever reported, so stuff your stability arguments.
>
>GTE Federal Systems used it - until Bob Shaw form the ITU called
>them and pulled the [2] "This is the International Telecommunications
>Union calling from Geneva" trick and asked them to put it back and
>oh, please don't ever tell anybody I called and asked you to do this.
>
>It's not like today when you're accused of being a nut a rogue, a
>crazy or a non-person; back then there was a heady air of
>entranpenurial innovation and the sense you were doing something
>good for the community and had the blessing ot a net.deity.
>
>Over the years, the de facto new domains working group has been
>called every name in the book by Crocker and his ilk, and you can't
>do anything about that. You have to just wait it out. At some point
>everybody will know all the facts and will have met all the poeple and
>there will be no disguising the truth.
>
>[1] http://www.dnso.com/quotes/#iahc
>
>[2] An alta vista search yields:
>
>http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?sc=on&hl=on&q=%2Bdomain+%2BGTE+%2BFederal+%2BSystems+%2Bsexton&kl=XX&pg=q
>
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>But gets:
>
> >Not Found
> >
> >The requested URL /iahc-discuss/02675.html was not found on this server.
> >
> >
> >Apache/1.3.7-dev Server at www.iahc.org Port 80
>
>Revisionism. However it's sfaely stored here:
>http://www.newdom.com/archive/newdom3/1610.txt
>
>
>Postscript: I have no doubt that Dave Crocker will now
>go into one of his "this is not substantive, productive
>or helpful" tirades. But it is important. People are on
>the verge of making some important decisions and
>whether they're going to be right or wrong, they're
>better off making informed decisions.
>--
>richard@tangled.web        richard@dnso.com       http://www.dnso.com
>It's about travel on expense accounts to places with good beer. - BKR
  

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