Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to change seating rule)

[Simon Higgs <simon@higgs.com>]

At 11:32 PM 11/11/00 -0500, Ken Stubbs wrote:

The ORSC rules can be found here:

http://www.open-rsc.org/lists/rules/

If you wish to make a complaint about a posting on this list, you should 
forward that complaint to the GA list moderator under the list rules that 
Harald posted/proposed earlier.

However, censorship and civil discourse rules are two separate things. Just 
because you don't like what someone else says, it doesn't make what they 
are saying "wrong".

>too bad the orsc civil discourse rules dont apply here.
>roland would be spending time in the "penalty box" .
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
>To: <ga@dnso.org>
>Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 7:28 PM
>Subject: RE: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General Assembly call to
>change seating rule)
>
>
> > This message is being resent because there seems to be a disconnect going
> > on. The last I heard, the context was the GA and this is certainly the GA
> > mailing list. I was talking about the GA, or am I moving too fast for
>y'all?
> >
> > The "we" in item 1 is the GA. However, I may have confused some of you
>with
> > my reference to the general NC body. It is opening yet another can of
>worms
> > when we discuss formation and instantiation of the various constituencies.
> > They were created by fiat, by the ICANN BoD. They were captured by the
> > power-clique and I don't consider their NC representitives fairly elected.
> > That is my opinion, one that cannot be changed without proof, that various
> > constituencies are not willing/able to provide. It certainly isn't
>available
> > to any GA member.
> >
> > In addition, it is certainly telling that the constituencies serve on an
> > at-will basis. Ergo, they are 100% at the behest of the ICANN BoD. If they
> > don't do what the BoD asks, or they cause too much upheaval, then the BoD
> > can dissolve that constituency. Hence my statement that the NC is an
> > appointed body.
> >
> > Lacking a constituency for individual domain name owners and small
> > businesses, the GA is forced to assume that role. Yet, it is not allowed
>to
> > select its own NC rep. Jonathan may be a fine individual, but he really
> > should step down in favour of the real GA choice, Jamie Love, whom
>garnered
> > almost twice as many votes.
> >
> > No, the NC is not an elected body, it is appointed, or near enough so as
>to
> > not make much/any difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > 1) We don't elect NC members, that much is obvious. We tried and we
>failed.
> > The ICANN BoD appointed whomever they want, regardless of the wishes of
>the
> > GA. That record is clear.
> >
> > 2) There is no impeachement mechanism that works. If there is, show it to
> > me.
> >
> > 3) The NC is an appointed body, not an elected one. The ICANN BoD is the
> > sole appointer. GA NC elections are meaningless.
> >
> > Kent, you knew all of the above when you posted. You lie. However, this is
> > the most egregious lie that I have ever seen you make. You are usually not
> > this obvious. Are you feeling well? Or, perhaps you are feeling too well.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kent Crispin [mailto:kent@songbird.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:20 AM
> > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: Re: Consensus vs Voting (RE: [ga] DNSO General
> > > Assembly call to
> > > change seating rule)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 11, 2000 at 10:51:13PM +0800, YJ Park wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who is going to paly a check and balance role for NC?
> > >
> > > The checks and balances on the NC are the standard checks and
> > > balances on
> > > *any* elected body -- if you don't like what your representatives do,
> > > you don't re-elect them, or, in the worst case, you impeach them.
> > > That's perfectly normal; there isn't any particular mystery about the
> > > NC in this regard.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and you will be
> > > kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." -- Mark Twain
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