Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Note on inappropriate use of the complaint mechanism

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Harald and all remaining assembly members,

  I appreciate your concern here, as it seems that it is at least in part
indirectly directed towards myself.  However, in all due candor,
I have a very few comments in reply to a couple of your points
here.  (See more below Haralds comments/points)

Harald Alvestrand wrote:

> There has been a regrettable tendency in recent weeks to have exchanges of
> the form:
>
> A: "I think X"
> B: "You must be out of your mind to think X"
> C: "A has been personally attacked, and the monitor should silence B"
>     (CC to ga-abuse@dnso.org)

  I am guilty of "C".  I "CC'ed" ga-abuse@dnso.org as often such complaints
have gone unaddressed in the past, some long standing complaints still
remain unaddressed, as a matter of fact.

>
>
> The discussion then deteriorates into a discussion about the monitor's
> neutrality, the posters' personal morals and the list rules, often
> forgetting all about the original claim X.

  Very true.  And this has been the problem which was debated at length
by some past DNSO members.  Trying to codify "Morals" in a set of
rules, as with laws in government, is very problematic, if not impossible
as to their reasonable enforcement.

>
>
> The moderator wishes to remind the participants that:
>
> - The monitor has, as a matter of personal choice, decided not to raise
>    complaints about insults to himself on the GA list. As long as there is
>    only one monitor, this limits his ability to address abusive postings
>    of this particular type.
>
> - The Chair is free to appoint more monitors at any time.
>    Thus, if neutrality of the monitor is in question, the right choice is
>    to get someone perceived as more neutral to volunteer for the job.
>
> - The monitor is not required to react to all violations of the rules by
>    imposing sanctions. When a reminder is enough, this is a much less
>    disruptive measure.
>
> - The monitor occasionally sleeps, or does other things than reading the
>    GA list. So the fact that a complaint has been raised does not mean that
>    there will be an immediate reaction.
>
> For the record, the monitor does not find that
> http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc06/msg00506.html constitutes a
> personal attack.
>
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> Personal email: Harald@Alvestrand.no
>
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Regards,

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