Re: [ga] ICANN not a Governing Body

[Eric Dierker <Eric@hi-tek.com>]

all right I concede the point that there is no way to own the internet.  And
I tip my hat to the other options - other root servers. And Mr. Walsh I
apologize for over generalization.  I tend to speak in concepts of practical
reality, not technical correctness.  In the forties of the last century we
would say the mob owned Chicago. No one argued that they did not have title
to the L.  but no one argued that they did not control and for all purposes
control and govern the city.

It does not do progressive discussion any good to point out the faults of
the reality of which I spoke, this is not a debating society.  It is like
being adamant that ICANN does not govern, it is a great academic argument
but in the end to move ahead we have to evaluate how they govern not if they
do or not.

So let me put this forward and see if we can agree on this as a politically
correct way of saying it.

Unless otherwise stated, when someone refers to ICANN as a governing body;
they mean it in a very loose sense of the word. It means that they are
involved with decisions which affect how the internet is run.

Unless otherwise stated when someone refers to the USG owning the internet
it means that they have the largest controlling interest in how it is
operated.

Is that livable.

Sincerely,

JandL wrote:

> Erik:
>
> The US government owns only what equipment it owns.  The DoC
> controls the a-root server, that is true, and therefore has the
> largest market share of users.  If people begin to choose to look at
> other roots, the USG still controls only the one system.  They also
> control com/net/org/edu.
>
> The Internet, however is not owned by anyone.
>
> The telcos own the copper, fiber and switching.  Individuals and
> corporations own networks.
>
> Satellites are owned by a myriad of entities, including governments
> and corporations.
>
> Anyone, anywhere with connectivity can communicate with anyone
> anywhere with connectivity.  Anyone can set up a network of
> computers/servers.  Anyone can set up a root and root server
> system.  They own their own networks.  Those networks can
> communicate with other networks.
>
> Government owns very little of the Internet, but the USG controls
> the most widely used rootzone and the three most widely used
> TLDs.  Why?  cause it's what everyone got used to.
>
> Leah
>
> > I grow stupid in that I cannot help people understand the area that I
> > truly do understand.
> >
> > Whether we like it or not, the U.S. Government owns the Internet.  I
> > ask all who disagree to contact our lawyers, Touton and Sims and ask
> > their opinion and from what my lawyer told me they have about 48 hours
> > to get back to you, otherwise they are neglectful. Remember we are the
> > clients not the Board.
> >
> > Jefsey, the way you ignore this reality, is dreaming.  Yes your French
> > language concepts add to the debate about how Gov and all it's uses
> > are varying.
> >
> > But we have to deal in reality here, if the USG does not own the
> > resource of the Internet, who does?  Are you saying it is like outer
> > space?  Are you saying that it is all free enterprise?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Joanna Lane wrote:
> >
> > > The APA does not apply to the iCANN as the iCANN does not
> > > manage any US resource. It only serve the USA as 243 other
> > > countries in listing three or four lines about the ".us" zone
> > > server in the master-root.
> > >
> > > APA however may apply to some parts of the iCANN as long
> > > as the US interests are concerned, as the French administrative law
> > > applies as far as French telecom interests are involved, as it is
> > > true in 242 other countries as well.
> > >
> > > Jefsey
> > >
> > > Hi Jefsey,
> > > Could you explain this please? I may have *misunderstood*, but I
> > > thought that the master-root to which others are connected, are
> > > privately owned US resource, therefore subject to APA, as is ICANN,
> > > being a US corporation. I'd like to be clear about what parts of
> > > ICANN function are subject to APA, and what parts are not. Thanks,
> > > Joanna
> > >
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