Re: [ga] [ADMIN] Suspension of Dave Crocker

["JandL" <jandl@jandl.com>]

I would normally not respond to this type of post.  However, I must 
take exception to it in that it refers to me.  I would like to know 
when I have broken the rules and to what post you referred your 
targeted remarks.

I believe I objected to the banning of Dave Crocker in light of the 
common nature of his post and that the best method to rid onesself 
of unwanted posts is the "delete" key.  I believe I also said that 
parody of names is somewhat better than out and out slander or 
some of the more angry posts we have seen.

Would you please explain to me where you were headed with your 
reference to me and whether you think perhaps it might have been 
in error?

leah

> Fifth or sixth post, I don't think I can let this pass without
> comment, and since this is the kind of message that makes me *really*
> angry, I don't think I should answer this tomorrow: either now, or in
> a couple of days, when I will have the freedom given by the fact of no
> longer being Chair.
> 
> Kevin J. Connolly wrote:
> >
> >Eric Weisberg <weisberg@texoma.net> wrote:
> > >Doesn't this discussion violate the same rule as Dave's?
> > >Shouldn't we discuss substantive issues instead of
> > >personalities?
> > >Aren't we threatening the stability and function
> > >of this assembly by getting off on such tangents?
> >
> >Objection:
> >#1: If you're going to make statements against Mr. Crocker,
> >have the simple decency and civility to do it when he can
> >actually respond.
> 
> The statement was against Andy Gardiner (and Leah, I suppose), exactly
> making the point that they violate the same rules.
> 
> >
> >#2:  What stability? What function? What legitimacy?
> 
> By indulging in ad-nominem attacks and irrelevant polemics we indeed
> threaten at least the effectiveness and recognition of this Assembly.
> I concur with Eric.
> 
> 
> >
> >And, while we're on the subject, it begins to look as though
> >the chair and vice-chair are going to sandbag and stonewall
> >until Dave's suspension expires by lapse of time.
> 
> It is I-don't-know-what-time, over here.
> I have spent the whole morning and good part of the afternoon in
> meetings for my day job. The little time I had to dedicate to the
> Internet, I did concentrating on what I thought was the most important
> problem: the risk of not having proper elections. I called Harald (I
> pay also my DNSO-related phone calls from my own pocket, as you all
> know) and discussed *this*, I'm sorry to consider the issue of having
> or not a properly elected Chairman more important.
> 
> You have now a proper election process, where you can re-cast your
> vote, and possibly elect somebody that will give to the GA business
> the priorities that you wish. Oh, by the way, please elect somebody
> that will be available to respond to your messages H24, independently
> of time zones, and of other personal or professional business.
> Somebody that can dedicate all his/her time to the GA list, that can
> consider your appeals with the highest priority.
> 
> 
> Dave should
> >never have been suspended. His suspension, without good
> >cause and without a hint of due process, highlights that this
> >body is in no way representative of the Internet Community.
> >It is instead a mutual admiration society in which those whose
> >opinions are disfavored find themselves insulted (heaven
> >forfend we should return the favor) and worse. I'm surprised at
> >the delay in reinstating Dave: the injustice of his suspension
> >should be incontrovertible at this point.
> 
> 
> Sorry to express a different opinion.
> It has been for me probably the most difficult decision since in
> office. And I can easily predict tons of bits flowing from either
> side, proving that the matter is far from being incontrovertible.
> 
> Just one last question: why did you not present your candidature?
> 
> Regards
> Roberto
> 
> P.S.: On second thoughts, my previous post about the appeal on Dave
> should not be counted against the limit, as it was a consequence of my
> duty as Chair - alternatively, I should have postponed it until
> tomorrow :>).
> 
> Roberto
> Feeling better, and re-gaining his sense of humour
> 
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