RE: [ga] collisions in namespace (was gTLD Constituency)

["Jeff Field" <jfield@aaaq.com>]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> PacificRoot Hostmaster
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:21 AM
> To: Jeff Field
> Cc: ga@dnso.org; jandl@jandl.com
> Subject: RE: [ga] collisions in namespace (was gTLD Constituency)
>
>
> Hi Jeff :)
>
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Jeff Field wrote:
>
> > I checked out the site.  It appears that although vitamins.biz
> does indeed
> > get you to a site, the company is actually doing business under
> the name,
> > "bodyRight.com".  Further, if you use the bodyright.com domain
> name, you end
> > up at a site that looks identical to the vitamins.biz site.
> >
> > IMHO, I would say this company has attempted to hedge or extend its
> > e-commerce bet by registering the vitamins.biz name in the
> hopes that, 1)
> > the alternative root .biz would be the .biz to eventually end up in the
> > ICANN root system, and 2) the company would then perhaps be
> able to utilize
> > a better domain name than, or an additional domain name to,
> bodyright.com.
> > In any case, it would appear obvious (to me, at least) that
> this is hardly a
>
>
> >
> > > Some registrants are hoping they will be able to secure identical
> > > names in the ICANN .biz if it is entered into the root so they won't
> > > be killed by them.  Many are concerned that ICANN will "cancel"
> > > their registrations because they do not understand the process.
> > > This is where most of the damage occurs - they don't understand,
> > > so they panic and think we will cut them off somehow or that ICANN
> > > will take their names from them.
> >
> > point their DNS to the alternate root that contains .biz.  And
> anyone that
> > registers a .biz domain name with the alternate root .biz
> registry should
> > know that...at least if the registrar or registry makes that
> perfectly clear
> > ahead of time.  And, as mentioned, I personally don't believe
> that is being
> > done (I refer this time to the website copy, "they are real
> domains....these
> > are all active domains".  NOTE: Yes, I know they are "real"; yes, I know
> > they are "active".  But nowhere, at least that I could find,
> does it state
>
> Actually, there are plenty of references which, correctly state - and
> quite prominently so, That if your ISP hasn't already upgraded their DNS
> from that of the deprecated ICANN legacy system you need to do so.

I've already stated my opinion as to the use of the term, "upgraded".  FYI,
here's the relavant dictionary definition I found:

Upgrade - "To replace (a software program) with a more recently released,
enhanced version."

I believe the more appropriate term to use is "alternative".  Here's the
dictionary definition I found:

Alternative - "The choice between two mutually exclusive possibilities."

Anyway, forgetting for the moment that you may be using a different version
of software than ICANN's root server, one which you may consider an upgrade;
for all practical purposes, the only difference between your root and the
ICANN root is the data it contains.  Yours has more (the additional TLDs).
Additional data does not constitute an upgrade.  Having said that, and
taking my cue from the copy on your site
(http://www.pacificroot.com/register.shtml), let me try to help you out
with, what I believe to be, copy that would not be misleading:
--------------------------------------
Please note: In order for you and other Internet users to access the
websites of, send email to, or use any other Internet service connected with
the domain name(s) you are about to register requires the DNS (Domain Name
System) settings of each user's computer be configured to point to DNS name
servers which have been set up to query the ORSC Inclusive Name Space root
server system operated by PacificRoot.

Additionally, although PacificRoot believes the ORSC Inclusive Name Space
root server system we operate is superior to what we believe to be the
functionally obsolete ICANN root server system, and that we are currently
making progress through marketing, education and outreach to raise the
awareness of all Internet users of that superiority, many Internet user
computers are not yet configured this way.  Simply put, all this means is
that currently some Internet users will be able to utilize (access your
website, send you email, etc.) the domain name(s) and and some will not.
--------------------------------------
Or something along those lines.  BTW, I would also suggest putting this copy
in a more prominent place than the current right side small print that has a
good chance of being missed.  Additionally, it ought be included just before
the registration submit button....coloring it red is not a bad idea, either.

> Our Hostmaster team deals very little with any lack of understanding on
> this issue, due in part to the prominent placement of notices to upgrade,
> but more specifically because it is not the public's average joe that is
> having dificulty grasping this concept. It's easy for them to understand.
> Most of our tech support hours lies in the area of lost passwords and what
> to put in for nameservers - the same thing that takes most of the support
> time with all providers.
>
> It seems the people who find the most difficulty with this concept are the
> people whom we would least likely suspect - people such as yourself.

Ahem...do you know me that well to make such a statement?  I've only been on
this list for about a week or so.  I don't believe we've met...have we?

> Why is that Jeff? are you just being resistant to public demand? The ISPs
> are eating it up and selling websites like crazy:)
>
> Finally, I personaly very little time to waste worrying  about what you
> think - especially considering you wouldn't be bothering to argue this
> point unless we were garnering such phenominal public support and
> acceptance in the first place ;)

Ahem, again...I don't believe you know me *at all* to make such a statement.
I have no agenda here, hidden or otherwise.

Regards,

Jeff
--
jeff field
925-283-4083
jfield@aaaq.com

> Why don't you register a free domain with us? They're really free you
> know. Or would that be against your religion?
>
> I promise we don't bite ;)
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Bradley D. Thornton
> Chief Technology Officer
> The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
> http://www.PacificRoot.com
> http://www.JointTech.com

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