Re: [ga] Joop's motions

["William S. Lovell" <wsl@cerebalaw.com>]

To bring up users is an excellent thing to do. (I was a "mere
user" once myself!)  I'd thought about doing the same, but
then the point struck me: the GA is a part of the DNSO,
and the charter of the DNSO relates to domain names only.
There is no USO (other than the famous one that entertains
the military), but perhaps there should be -- I correspond
with tons of people that don't have domain names, and Jefsey
is absolutely correct in indicating that they have legitimate
interests as well.  So my only question is whether that is a
proper issue for the GA.

Bill Lovell

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> I am sorry Sotiris, but IC is too short as it conflicts with
> Individual User Constituency and Indvidual User Center of
> Interests (IUCI). The WG-Review has stabilized as IDNH
> and IDNHC after a lot of disputes. This was reflected in the
> Chair approbation of the subject for discussion.
>
> Anyway there is an obvious mnemonic conflict between
> the two requests and an overwhelming silent majority in
> favor of the individual users :-).
>
> I recall you that Individual Users as to be prefered to
> End User as the Internet is an independent station
> oriented system (there is no "end") and "EU" would
> be confusing with Europe?
>
> I add that the Individual User is absolutely not represented
> in the DNSO - while is some ways IDNHs and SMEs are -
> while IUs are going to be the deciding segment: should
> IUs opt for a MultiRoot solutions, or when will hey do will
> have a dramatical impact on the DNSO mission and
> structure.
>
> I am afraid that all this leads us to a new confusion against
> the IDNHs in pretending that IDNHs are to be confused
> with Individual Users.
>
> I do not buy the possible confusion between IDNH and
> IDNO. It would be like saying that USA and USSR where
> so confusingly near that the "USA" had to be called
> "Europe".
>
> IMHO we have another problem: there is an abvious
> possible confusion between DNSO/IC and DNSO/BC.
>
> Jefsey
>
> On 16:51 14/05/01, Sotiris Sotiropoulos said:
> >Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >  At 13:36 13/05/01 -0700, William S. Lovell wrote:
> > >
> > >> But first, since from Florida we know how voters can get confused, I
> > >> would strongly urge that the desired representation for individuals be
> > >> given the term "Individuals Constituency = IC."  If this group has too
> > >> many "fumble fingers" in it, as I can sometimes be, IDNH and IDNO
> > >> will get confused, and people may be yelling "yeah, yeah" for one
> > >> when they mean the other.
> > >
> > > That is right and this is the reason why I have proposed calling it
> > > the IC.
> >
> >All,
> >
> >My original intention in proposing the title "IC" *was* to clearly
> >disassociate it from the IDNO.  I had explained this to Joop in an
> >offlist mailing back in the wg-review, just as we finished the final
> >proposal paper.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Sotiris Sotiropoulos
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> But as to the substance, the incorrect premise is that to form an IC
> > >> one goes
> > >> through some list of existing bodies that have advanced themselves
> > >> as
> > >> candidates.
> > >
> > >
> > > That would indeed be a false premise. However, I do not advocate it.
> > > If the IDNO has to die in order for an IC (with a universally approved
> > > structure---tiny problem: how are you going to get that) to take it's
> > > place, that is fine with me.
> > >
> > >
> > >  --Joop Teernstra LL.M.--the Cyberspace Association andthe
> > > constituency for Individual Domain Name OwnersElected
> > > representative.http://www.idno.org
> >
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