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Re: [ga] Austerity measures
Erica:
Exactly, you don't know how easy is to create a mailing list.
List requirements are almost the same in all lists. Closed or open,
monitored or unmonitored, with or without crossposting are things that you
setup very quickly if you know how to do it. Rules of the list are things
that the GA Chair and not AFNIC has to stablish. In fact, if rules are
similar from one list to another, it is just copy in the file
that is setted-up for welcome message the rules of the other list.
I think AFNIC technicall staff which (according to the report of
year 2000 expenses) are hired part time (part time for me means 4 hours a
day dedicated only to DNSO servers), are doing unnecesary steps. It is
the only reason I can think know why a mailing list takes 4 hours to be
created.
There is other issue and are organizational. In my opion, GA chairs are
the ones who sets rules, not the Secretariat. Once GA Chair set rules,
then GA chair has to send a plain text files with rules of every list
(every file will be part of the Welcome Message that is automatically send to
every one that suscribes to any mailing list) to Elizabeth. And then, and
only then it begins the process of creating mailings lists.
And this process just take five minutes for every mailing list.
If Elizabet needs any clarification on rules, this is not part of the
process of creation of mailing list. The rules are the rules and has to
be posted as the GA indicated (again, she just have to put them in a file
that correspond to welcome message, she doesn't have to send a mail about
it every time that someone suscribes). If futher clarification is needed
can be done paralelly to the creation of mailing list, not wait until she is
clear on the rules.
Also, as an organizational thing, the GA chair has to send to Elizabeth
all the requirements (open, closed, etc) in their requests to create a
mailing list. Doing this (and I suppouse that is always done) Elizabeth
(or the technical staff of AFNIC) only have to create the mailing
list...and this just takes five minutes!
Best Regards
Vany
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Erica Roberts wrote:
> Without knowing the details on this, I imagine much of the time was spent in
> clarifying with the GA officials the list requirements, rules, etc.
>
> erica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales" <vany@sdnp.org.pa>
> To: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 4:04 AM
> Subject: RE: [ga] Austerity measures
>
>
> > Hi Michael:
> >
> > I am agree with you. I cannot believe the figures shown by Elizabeth.
> > I also administrate Linux server with several services including mailing
> > lists and to me only takes 5 minutes to one mailing list and maybe two
> > hours per week for maintenance but not two hourse per day. It is
> > exagerate.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Vany
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 14 May 2001, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry, but I simply cannot imagine how it can take this much time to
> > > maintain a list. We have dozens here at the law school, and they don't
> > > take anything close to that amount of time.
> > >
> > > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alexander Svensson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Roberto Gaetano wrote on 14.05.01, 21:11:26:
> > > > > I would second Roeland's comment below:
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I share the incredulity... the answer is ... not much. Especially
> > > > >>considering that the ga-full is not moderated. It was the compromise
> that
> > > > >>enabled moderation on the GA list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that the NC should reconsider the matter, because closing
> down the
> > > > > GA-full will definitively destabilize the compromise achieved one
> year ago.
> > > > > The idea to restart from scratch the whole discussion about
> monitoring and
> > > > > censorship, right now that we seem to start making some progress, is
> > > > > frightening.
> > > >
> > > > I have listened to the Names Council teleconference
> > > > meeting (thanks, Bret!), and it turns out that,
> > > > according to the Secretariat, the setup time for
> > > > the five new GA sublists was about *twenty* hours of
> > > > secretariat work, the typical maintenance costs are about
> > > > *two* hours per day (Philip Sheppard referring to figures by
> > > > Elisabeth Porteneuve, DNSO Secretariat; unfortunately it
> > > > is very much at the end of the 14 MB audio file Bret Fausett
> > > > recorded).
> > > > http://www.lextext.com/nc05092001.html
> > > >
> > > > If you listen to the NC discussion of the issue, you
> > > > will probably /not/ get the impression that this is a ploy
> > > > to silence the uncomfortable voices or something alike
> > > > [just to make sure: I'm obviously not addressing Roberto
> > > > here!]. Philip Sheppard: "As I understand, for reasons of
> > > > history, there are two main GA lists, one of which was
> > > > designed to be entirely open, the other one was moderated.
> > > > The one [list] that is moderated is the one that is used
> > > > by hundreds, and the one that's entirely open tends to
> > > > be used as a duplicate list and has a current subscription
> > > > of about ten; and I was wondering if it was not time, in
> > > > terms of being pragmatic, to suggest the closure of that
> > > > list in light of these new five, which would save a
> > > > little bit of administrative time." The other NC members
> > > > agreed.
> > > >
> > > > This said, I agree with Roberto that the GA-full list should
> > > > be continued nonetheless. I would assume that any tasks
> > > > connected with archiving and dealing with subscriptions
> > > > are much more time-consuming for all the other lists. The
> > > > GA-full has very few subscribers and, as Roberto mentions,
> > > > the fact that it is unmoderated should make the administration
> > > > even easier. There is little to be gained moneywise,
> > > > but there is a real risk of returning to an earlier point and
> > > > state of discussion which we had hoped to have gotten past.
> > > >
> > > > I ask Philip and the other NC members to reconsider this step,
> > > > especially as it is indeed the /moderation/ which requires
> > > > extra work:
> > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/council/Arc05/msg00301.html
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > /// Alexander
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Nilda Vany Martinez Grajales
> > IT Specialist
> > Sustainable Development Networking Programme/Panama
> > Tel: (507) 230-4011 ext 213
> > Fax: (507) 230-3455
> > e-mail: vany@sdnp.org.pa
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