Re: [ga] No Funds for Proper Analysis

[Derek Conant <dconant@dnsga.org>]

In Stockholm I was 6 hours ahead.
In Kona now I'm 6 hours behind.
I will get to this after a few Mai Ties.

Mahalo!

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Derek,
> this post is interesting. Please do not be hurt as it is not intended
> and this is basis for further analysis, but this exactly the powerfull
> rolling process to construct uncessary institutions.
>
> What is the Internet? A consensus. Billion of people agreeing the
> same thing: to use TCP/IP protocols to dialog together. This is
> nothing more. Question: is Internet necessary to TCP/IP? No.
> Is TCP/IP necessary to the Internet? Yes. From this one can say
> that the Internet is part of the TCP/IP usage. Would you make the
> Internet boring, TCP/IP users would move out of the Internet. This
> is whet one start hearing around: OpenNet a successor to the
> Internet.
>
> I agree with you the DNSO is a mess and the iCANN is of no other
> use than allowing the USG to delegates something they do not
> know what to do with, and they do not even own as it does not exist.
>
> So why do you care about groupies - they are fun. I love calling
> Kent or Dave or Harald or Robert or Joop or Patrick or Danny or
> me a groupy. They enjoy time that way, disputing absurd issues
> about a group of 30 people. (BoD + Staff).  Looks like a Parent
> Association of 8 years old class.
>
> iCANN is of no use:
> - if they had some use in root management they would hire a
>    Technical manager
> - TLD management? .. they even mess the few the create in
>    entering collider.  Two TLD  a year: creating one to 1000
>    TLDs takes me 10  minutes (I automated the process :-) ).
> - they are of no use in creatig IP addresses. Too complex, too
>    politictal for them. Will be taken over..
> - they have some use in alocating Proteocl numbers: you need
>    to have someone rememberng were the book is.
>
> Oh, no I am wrong. They have a use: to have peole sqwaking
> about them. Look at the number of sites, documents, etc...
> iCANN has nothing to do with the net, it is pure show.biz
>
> Frankly. Why do you want me to put a penny in funding the
> iCANN? Please give me a good reason to help such a
> charity (?), research (?), educational (?) corporation.... I am
> 99% concerned in the iCANN for one single reason: to lower
> the harm it can cause to me.
>
> Now, would the iCANN stick to its bylaws and accept TLDs
> as unlimited Members it could provide some good internationad
> consensus secretariat. It could be of some good use. But
> the $ 50.000 application fee into the "international TLD
> business" killed that..... and I am afraid your propositions
> are not correcting it. Or am I wrong?
>
> Jefsey
>
> On 17:13 09/06/01, Derek Conant said:
> >Who knows what they are talking about here?  There needs to be a process
> >here that funds the development and advancement of the constructive
> >questions and comments being submitted by participants.
> >
> >What we have here is a failure to obtain the funding necessary to
> >present any meaningful comprehensive analysis, compiled by experts
> >presenting statistical data and information concerning the subject
> >matter being addressed by the DNSO.
> >This is primarily why I expressed the necessity of ICANN Approved
> >Proposal Organizations (APOs) at:
> >http://dnsga.org/announcements/atlarge_5june01.html.
> >
> >APOs can be profit and non-profit organizations that qualify to
> >represent their studies, constituencies and/or members.   ICANN will
> >need to evolve toward a structural model and system that gives
> >organizations the incentive to fund comprehensive analysis, compiled by
> >experts presenting statistical data and information concerning the
> >subject matter being addressed by ICANN Supporting Organizations.
> >
> >The APO competition component is clearly apparent in the DNSO process
> >and forums.  This is clearly evident by the existence of established
> >groupies in the DNSO process and forums and their refusal to acknowledge
> >and investigate constructive comments and positions from one not in
> >their group.  It is also apparent that said groupies feel threatened
> >when constructive comments and positions are presented.  Groupies exist
> >in the DNSO process and forums and they appear to be preventing the
> >development and advancement of constructive dialog if the comment and
> >position contribution does not agree with, or does not come from one in
> >the established group.
> >
> >If ICANN is going to allow the formation of groupies in its processes,
> >then these groupies that believe that they know what they are talking
> >about should step up to the plate with money to fund comprehensive
> >analysis, compiled by experts presenting statistical data and
> >information concerning the subject matter being addressed, that proves
> >the groupies position.
> >
> >The ICANN Supporting Organizations and ICANN Board should be relying on
> >experts presenting statistical data and information concerning the
> >subject matter being addressed.  ICANN should not be developing its
> >policy and standards upon a process that is not funded and relies on
> >non-experts.
> >
> >ICANN and the Internet is mature enough now to begin the process of
> >restructuring its Supporting Organizations and to engage the APO
> >concept.  The APO concept would invite organizations from around the
> >world to fund ICANN internationalization and the development and
> >advancement of international policy and standards.  The Governments of
> >the world would also have incentive to fund ICANN internationalization
> >through APO processes.
> >
> >I am submitting this for constructive criticism.
> >
> >Derek Conant
> >DNSGA President and Chairman
> >
> >
> >
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