RE: [ga] Analysis of Atlantic Root .BIZ Registrations to Date

["Gene Marsh" <marshm@anycast.net>]

Leah,

Actually, this is a bit of a surprise given the source is Ben Edelman.  Ben
has remained fairly neutral in the process, considering his proximity to the
ICANN machinations.

Ben, I would suggest you work with Leah and others to determine all the
facts.  Keep your reputation high, we need you to be neutral.

Gene...

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From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of L
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Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:18 PM
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Subject: Re: [ga] Analysis of Atlantic Root .BIZ Registrations to Date


I posted a response on their web board.
http://bcis.law.harvard.edu/webboard/wbpx.dll/read?262,45

The "research" is misleading due to their assumption that the
registry did not exist prior to the formal launch of the automated
registration system.  Oh well.  No one contacted us to obtain
facts.  No surprise.

Leah


On 19 Jun 2001, at 20:50, Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> Dear Ben,
> I started reading your posted document
> <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/dotbiz>. I am blocked at
> the first phrase which is wrong by ommission.
>
> You say
> "As part of its obligations under itsMemorandum of Understanding with
> the U.S. Department of Commerce, ICANN coordinates policies for
> determing the addition of new top-level domains to the Internet's DNS
> root system".
>
> This is inexact. What is true is:
> "As part of its obligations under itsMemorandum of Understanding with
> the U.S. Department of Commerce, ICANN coordinates policies for
> determing the addition of new top-level domains to the USG Internet's
> DNS root system".
>
> You cannot donate or delegate something you do not have. The DNS
> system is a set of different programs by different producers - mostly
> under GNU licences - used by millions of people throughout the world,
> many of who never heard and will never hear about the iCANN and the
> DoC. It uses a part of the humanity name space (the DNS name space the
> GAC, the law of several countries declared to be own by no one and non
> trade markable at TLD level - its roots). It only helps them setting
> up who is authoritative on heir own machine. You may push Eric out of
> this list, no one will oblige him to use the iCANN root if he says no.
>
> The internet belongs to no one. If the USA have been a leading land,
> the historic investors have been many universities of different
> countries, IBM, MCI, public services and agencies from scores of
> countries. ARPANet was certainly be part of it, as Cyclades, Euronet
> and others. Technically, ask old timers who did what between Roberts
> and Westler in the USA, Pouzin in France ...  The web has been
> developped at the European Nuclear Center (CERN) by an English.
> Deployment has been shared and paid by many individuals and pioneers.
> This mailing list is currently sponsored bythe AFNIC, etc... etc...
> Show me the USG contract for the Bind system.
>
> The rest of your text is historical. Just five remarks.
>
> - The number of DNs is not related to the importance of the usership.
> One the most used TLD is ".us".
>
> - The routing conflicts are not constested by anyone serious. What is
> surprising is that the BoD has decided not to warn officialy the DoC.
> Bearing full legal and financial resposnibility.
>
> - your publishing of the nominative biz list is in contravention with
> privacy laws of many countries and as such a real argument against
> iCANN supporters.
>
> - the number of demonstrated DNs is far higher than many ccTLDs
> enjoying full respect from he iCANN.
>
> - the increase you show demonstrates that ARNI is here to stay and
> that many people now think using it is a reasonable move, either
> because it will survive NeuLevel which has far higher operating costs
> due to the iCANN constraints and will not be able to cope with a long
> stale period after the first collisions hit the press. So either .biz
> DNs by ARNI will be the winers or NewLevel will have to compromise and
> to buy them. ANyway it is good business to buy from Leah. I understand
> many are understanding that right now..
>
> Jefsey
>
>
>
>
> On 19:51 19/06/01, Ben Edelman said:
> >I've heard discussion -- on this list, at ICANN meetings, and
> >elsewhere -- on the subject of a possible conflict in the DNS root
> >between the NeuLevel .BIZ (which the ICANN Board of Directors
> >selected in its November 16, 2000 Board Meeting; see
> ><http://www.neulevel.com>) and an existing .BIZ TLD operated by the
> >Atlantic Root Network (<http://www.biztld.net>).
> >
> >I've heard much discussion about the possible and theoretical
> >problems raised by such conflicts, but there seemed to me significant
> >empirical questions here.  For example, I wondered: Just how many
> >registrations are in the Atlantic Root Network's .BIZ?  When were
> >those registrations made?
> >
> >Accordingly, I have set out to answer these questions and others
> >using data freely available over the Internet.  My work in progress
> >is posted at <http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/edelman/dotbiz>.  I
> >look forward to feedback from others interested in these questions,
> >and to continued discussion on the subject.
> >
> >
> >
> >Ben Edelman
> >Berkman Center for Internet & Society
> >Harvard Law School
> >
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