Re: [ga] Nomination for representative to the NC Review TF - Eric Dierker (fwd)

[Stefan Probst <stefan.probst@gmx.net>]

Dear Jeff,

I am not sure, whether this is the right venue to discuss .vn issues.

I forwarded the URLs and the mails to some other people who are working on 
the Net in Vietnam, and their comments were much more harsh than mine. An 
absolutely misleading domain like "vnnic.com" for somebody who maybe 
provides some SW for the registry, or will be a future registrar or 
whatever, is IMHO everything else than honest business behaviour.

I still don't know what hi-tek is really doing. Their flashy intro is 
inadequate for Vietnam (needs too much scarce bandwidth for slow modem 
connections) and is another gross misleader for everybody who doesn't know 
the real setup.

Finally, an on-line, credit-card based registration like it is done for the 
gTLDs would indeed turn the present setup on its head.

Besides that it would de-facto sell-out the .vn domain to foreigners 
(because very few Vietnamese have credit cards), there are several other 
issues:
- until now only natural or legal persons *inside Vietnam* were allowed to 
register a domain....
- until now no generic domains were allowed (e.g. "computers.vn"), but only 
brandnames, company names etc.
- until now all .vn domains had to be hosted within Vietnam (with very few 
historical exceptions)
- special licenses were needed to host webcontent ...

Due to their limited experience, the people at the gateway in Vietnam were 
in the past already pulled over the table, e.g. concerning the firewall SW. 
I hope this will not be the case again.

On-line registration will need some kind of whois. Are there privacy rules 
in place?
Do they have a Domain Dispute Resolution Policy? Arbitrators?

On-line credit-card payments need https protocol, which includes 
encryption. Encryption is by the letter of the rules usually illegal (all 
the customers would need a permission). Will Hi-Tek get the rules changed 
first, or just produce again another factum which defies the rules?

Finally, you continue to state that the .vn ccTLD will be launched. (to be 
precise: you say "I still, as of now, stand by that original statement.", 
which was "[he is] actively involved in the Registry business with the up 
and coming launching of the .VN ccTLD.). This is plain nonsense. 
Registrations in the .vn were done previously off-line, with that 
registration engine maybe soon also on-line. But an additional registration 
procedure doesn't mean that the ccTLD is launched now, when it has been up 
an running since years already.
Hi-Tek might do their internal launch, but this is not what you said. You 
either were informed quite wrongly, or were trying to make a big 
impression, hoping that nobody would discover the bluff.

Rgds,
Stefan


At 17:55 25.6.2001 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
>Stefan, all interested parties and assembly members,
>
>Stefan Probst wrote:
>
> > Dear Jeff,
> >
> > Eric might be right now working with the registry people. He might work
> > with them on policy or technics. I do not know and am open for your or his
> > explanations.
>
>   Yes this is what I understand to be the case.  But in addition vinic.com
>and Hi-tek.com also are preparing to launch the registration engine for
>registering Domain Names for .VN very soon.  This wi what I was
>referring to in my original post and I thought stated clearly though not
>in these exact terms.  Hence the possible confusion?
>
> >
> > I was only writing against the claim in the original post about the "up and
> > coming launching of the .VN ccTLD".
>
>   I was referring to the registration of Domain Names for the .VN ccTLD.
>(See above as well as in my original post).  Possibly you misunderstood
>or there is some other confusion?
>
> > And this is plain wrong. The .vn ccTLD
> > is up and running since years. And without some kind of registry, there
> > wouldn't be any registrations in the .vn domain, which is of course 
> also wrong.
>
>As I understand it, Hi-Tek.com and vinic.com will be launching the
>registration engine (HTML Interface Web Page) soon.  This is what
>I was referring to.  In essence the link you provided has no such
>registration engine available.  Is this incorrect?  If so, could you please
>provide the URL that provides for registration of Domain Names
>for the .VN ccTLD?  If my statement is correct than I submit that
>there was a confusion as to how you may have interpreted what I
>stated.  I still, as of now, stand by that original statement.
>
> >
> > This does not say anything about the other qualifications etc. and I do not
> > say anything about that. If my post was perceived as anything against Eric,
> > then this perception was wrong. I was only posting concerning the claim
> > about the .vn ccTLD.
>
>   Well they are very much linked here Stefan.  So, I am wondering if
>such a comment was either necessary or advisable.
>
> >
> >
> > Several registrars are interested in the .vn domain. Register.com contacted
> > me indirectly some months ago, whether I could introduce them....
> > Frankly, I think this is too early, and the Vietnamese have to decide first
> > by themselves, what they want.
>
>   My understanding is the the Vietnamese have already decided what
>they want.  Is this also no correct?  If so, than is the launching of taking
>registrations
>and Hi-Tek's registration engine premature?  I don't think it is, but it might
>be.
>
> >
> >
> > I think, the .vn registry needs first and foremost a clear policy. And in
> > fact not only about the domains, but about hosting etc. This however is
> > beyond their authority. The technicalities come only after that. And IMHO,
> > as long as it is difficult for Vietnamese to sign up for a .vn domain (e.g.
> > because they cannot use credit cards),. then I for myself am reluctant to
> > open up that door for outsiders.
>
>   I can understand you reluctance to a degree.  However I am under the
>understanding that is may be unwarranted given Hi-Tek's pending launching
>of taking registrations for the .VN ccTLD.  I hope that nothing here being
>stated or discussed would impact that in any way though...  If in fact
>however that there is some concern that would be a "Show Stopper"
>for this to occur I am sure that Hi-Tek (Eric, Thomas, and Lee) would
>be interested to know of it ASAP.  If not, than the launching should
>proceed as currently decided, and as scheduled.
>
>   I am only slightly aware of Register.com's interest, and was told that
>the Vietnamese authorities on this matter were not interested for several
>reasons.  Is this incorrect?
>
> >
> >
> > Rgds,
> > Stefan
> >
> > At 14:52 25.6.2001 -0700, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >Stefan and all assembly members,
> > >
> > >   Excuse me, I was referring to the .VN registry...  The reference you
> > >provided,
> > >although very interesting is not the .VN registry...
> > >
> > >Stefan Probst wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Jeff, All,
> > > >
> > > > you wrote ...
> > > >
> > > > >He seems to IMHO have a good grasp of much of the history
> > > > >of the DNSO NC as well as is actively involved in the Registry 
> business
> > > > >with the up and coming launching of the .VN ccTLD.
> > > >
> > > > There is either a major typo or plain nonsense.
> > > > The .vn (Vietnam) ccTLD is up an running since about four years.
> > > >
> > > > I know the "father" of the Internet in Vietnam, Rob Hurle,
> > > > as well as some of the people who work now in the registry.
> > > > Their website, since quite a while, is http://www.vnnic.net.vn/
> > > >
> > > > Stefan,
> > > > Hanoi, Vietnam.
> > > >
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