Re: [ga] Motion to the Chair

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Danny and all assembly members,

DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:

> Dear Patrick,
>
> I was responding to Joop's motion.  He labeled some of our members as
> "destabilizers and obsessives" and concluded that "we are dealing here with
> unfettered chaos, with rules that have become worthless with being
> unenforceable."

  I don't see any chaos here Danny.  Just some chronic complaining about
and issue regarding the illegitimate rules that a tiny minority seem to wish
to argue about over and over again.  That is not chaos to me.  I can ignore
those rehashed arguments at will..  I frequently do...  So can you, so can
Patrick, so can anyone.  So admonishing Patrick on this issue is not
convincing to me.  Others mileage of course may vary.

>
>
> I share his assessment.  Having heard comments tonight to the effect that it
> is acceptable to regularly break the rules as long as they are not
> excessively broken on any one day, and other comments to the effect that all
> our rules are "illegitimate", I can re-affirm that Joop is correct in his
> observations.

  I believe that you are misinterpreting what Joop was referring to.  It is not
the NUMBER of posts that he was referring to, but the nature of some
participants posts...  I may agree with him with respect to some participants,
but also realize the fact that unless a participant can express him/herself
in their own style and manner of their choosing, than you are advocating
a form of CENSORSHIP.  And ANY FORM OF CENSORSHIP IS
WRONG!

>
>
> I did not post my comments to ga-abuse, because I was hoping that an
> admonition from the Chair might serve to cut down on excessive postings.   I
> can see now that this will not be the case.  No matter what time zone you are
> in, when you see numbers like 8,10,13 posts per day, it is obvious that some
> have chosen not to respect the rules.  Those that have little respect for
> rules will typically have little respect for those that abide by the rules,
> hence the surfeit of complaints to ga-abuse.
>
> It was my hope that we could all mutually arrive at a solution to deal with
> this problem that wouldn't have to involve the imposition of sanctions on our
> members.  As it stands, I will withdraw my suggestion and simply allow the
> list monitors to do their jobs.  If these members do not wish to curtail
> their behavior, then they will simply have to live with the consequences of
> their actions.
>
> Perhaps when sanctions next are meted out, this Assembly will begin to return
> to order... although I am quite sure that this list will once more again be
> paralyzed by those who will feel the need to express their views on the List
> Monitors' decisions.
>
> I encourage the List Monitors to catch up on their backlog of cases, and to
> issue whatever sanctions are required.
> -

Regards,

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