Re: [ga] Geographic and Geopolitical Names in .info

[Dan Steinberg <synthesis@videotron.ca>]

what would be wrong with .gac?

Jefsey Morfin wrote:

> You know what: the easiest is to give the GAC a TLD and to forget about
> that stupid issue. It takes two minutes to add their IPs in the root and to
> save the records.....
>
> Now wich TLD? ".off" for official, ".state", may be "gac" ...
>
> >Bill,
> >
> >Yes, Jon had many good intentions, but I do not believe he forsaw the many
> >political and legal pressures that we must deal with today.  With that said,
> >I sure do miss his leadership and ability to get the right thing done the
> >right way.
> >
> >There is no harm in trying to achieve the ideal, but attempting to change
> >the policy surrounding .gov or .mil would seem futile at best.
> >
> >Getting back to the subject of country names in gTLDs...what are we do to
> >when countries change names?  Zaire used to be a country, which is now
> >called Democratic Republic of Congo.  The USSR is now split into many
> >different countries.  If we reserve country domains now, how will we protect
> >new names later in gTLDs?  I think this is precisely why keeping ccTLDs as a
> >nation's soverign namespace is a big part of any solution (whether that
> >actually occurs in many cases of ccTLDs is an entirely different
> >discussion).
> >
> >Another alternative for protection of countries in gTLDs is to reserve every
> >2 letter combination, which in turn reserves every ISO-3166 code possible
> >for future delegations and name changes.  While I personally don't like the
> >idea, I should be an option.
> >
> >Josh
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: J. William Semich [mailto:bill@mail.nic.nu]
> >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 3:18 PM
> >To: Josh Elliott; Roberto Gaetano; Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr;
> >alexander@svensson.de; ga@dnso.org
> >Subject: RE: [ga] Geographic and Geopolitical Names in .info
> >
> >
> >
> >Josh:
> >
> >I'm not sure it is pure fantasy, although you may be closer to the
> >"reality" than I.
> >
> >I do recall that it was Jon Postel's intention that all US government
> >agencies, divisions, etc. should start using .us instead of .gov, and given
> >time, I could find at least half a dozen references in which he said as
> >much, both as IANA and as the .us administrator.
> >
> >Anyway, I agree it would be a difficult thing to change - still, no harm in
> >putting it back on the table, right?
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Bill Semich
> >
> >At 02:27 PM 9/19/2001 -0700, Josh Elliott wrote:
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >While I understand your point, I still think you are in fantasy world.  The
> > >reality is that the US will not give up .GOV or .MIL.  I suggest we find a
> > >more realistic alternative or just leave the governments of the world to
> >use
> > >their cctld.  Think of .GOV and .MIL as the Internet's donation to the US
> > >gvt for building the Net in the first place.
> > >
> > >If we are going to truly have competition among gTLDs, then country names
> >or
> > >ISO-3166 codes should not be protected in the new gTLDs as they are not
> > >protected in .com, .net, and .org.
> > >
> > >Josh
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of J.
> > >William Semich
> > >Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 7:59 AM
> > >To: Roberto Gaetano; Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr;
> > >alexander@svensson.de; ga@dnso.org
> > >Subject: Re: [ga] Geographic and Geopolitical Names in .info
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I strongly recommend that the US Government's DOC release .gov for the use
> > >by all other officially recognized (by the UN?) government/geopolitical
> > >organizations wishing to have their own domain names, and not reserve
> > >geopolitical names in .info for government use. Then at least the
> > >"consumers" of information on the Internet will know when they are at an
> > >official government site, and can judge the quality and truthfulness of the
> > >information presented in that light.
> > >
> > >For example, Afghanistan.gov would clearly have information that is
> > >sanctioned and approved by the government of Afghanistan; but
> > >Afghanistan.info may have more complete, and objective, information, if it
> > >is allowed to be registered by an independent source of information about
> > >Afghanistan (perhaps the Encyclopedia Britannica or some other reliable
> > >source of information.) The same would hold for usa.info and others.
> > >
> > >The key issue here is that a domain name for governments should clearly be
> > >labeled as just that. And the .gov domain name which is currently "closed
> > >for US use only", should be opened to other governments to serve that
> > >purpose internationally, and not the more general .info.
> > >
> > >The purpose and meaning of ".info" should not be twisted to mean "whatever
> > >a particular government of the day wants you to know."
> > >
> > >Bill Semich
> > >Internet Users Society - Niue
> > >
> > >At 02:10 PM 9/19/01 +0000, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> > > >Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>Would you explain why you consider trademarks rights
> > > >>more important that countrie's and people's rights ?
> > > >
> > > >I am not under the impression that Alexander was considering TM superior
> > > >rights as the countries' rights.
> > > >As for the people's rights, I don't see them always better protected by a
> > > >Government rather than by another body. But that's bringing us away from
> > > >the scope of the comment.
> > > >
> > > >I also think that the reservation of the country name as per ISO-3166
> >does
> > > >not make sense at all, and I am very much surprised that the GAC did not
> > > >notice it. According to the motion voted by ICANN, fancy things will
> > > >happen, like for instance:
> > > >- the names "germany.info" and "allemagne.info" will be reserved for
> > > >Germany, while maybe the German Government would have probably have
> >rather
> > > >chosen "Deutschland.info", but the latter is not in ISO-3166 (remember
> > > >that ISO-3166 is bilingual French-English, but does not contain the names
> > > >in their native language[s]);
> > > >- very useful and easy to guess strings like "holy see (vatican city
> > > >state).info" and "macedonia, the former yugoslav republic of.info" will
> >be
> > > >reserved.
> > > >
> > > >Also, ISO-3166 does not define the names of the countries, but their
> > > >codes: the names are provided for reference to point to the ISO codes. In
> > > >fact, if you look at ISO-3166 attentively, there are some slight glitches
> > > >in the names (for instance, "Taiwan, Province of China" should read
> > > >"Taiwan Province of China", without comma).
> > > >The authoritative source for the names is not ISO, but the United Nations
> > > >Statistic Division (see: http://www.un.org/Depts/unsd/methods/). Official
> > > >bulletins define both the short form, used in day-to-day work, and the
> > > >long (official) form. Moreover, this list is translated in all official
> >UN
> > > >languages, and UNSD keeps track of the names of the countries in their
> > > >native language[s]. First hand, complete and correct information.
> > > >In simple words, the matter is a little bit more complicated than what
> > > >some Directors have assumed.
> > > >
> > > >Anyway, my personal pick is for a specialised TLD where the Member States
> > > >of the UN can register one or more SLDs of their choice (to be consistent
> > > >with the documentation managed by UNSD), and then it is their choice
> > > >whether they want to use it or not, subdivide geographically, give it to
> > > >trademarks owners or tourist associations or their national Registry.
> >They
> > > >can choose if the name will be in English, French, or the national
> > > >language[s], provided, as I said, that the string is compatible with the
> > > >UNSD documentation.
> > > >
> > > >My personal thanks to Directors (in alphabetical order) Abril y Abril,
> > > >Auerbach, Blokzijl, Mueller-Maguhn, Murai, Pisanty, Quaynor, who voted
> > > >against, arguing that some more thinking was needed before deciding.
> > > >
> > > >Best regards
> > > >Roberto
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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