Re: [ga] Recent BC Membership Decision

[PacificRoot Hostmaster <idno@tallship.net>]

Sounds to me like you're being a cry baby Dave ;)

Have you bothered to read Marylin's position paper regarding "renegade
roots" like yours and ours?

C'mon David, get a clue dude! Exclusion is a good thing, it permits you
the luxury to whine and complain while no one is listening.

My suggestion is that you start by joining a friendly organization that
already represents your interests as a TLD Holder - http://www.TLDA.org

You might be surprised at just how welcomed you would find yourself,
coming in from out in the fringes of the industry that you bullied your
way into so arrogantly.

Or perhaps the reason that no one takes you seriously on this (The
Alternate, deprecated ICANN legacy system) side of the fence is you tried
to have your cake and eat it too by your sudden loss of depth perception
when brown nosing ICANN and embracing it's UDRP - yah that one got you
lots-o-demerits with even your own, now largely  disenfranchised,
registrants :) I couldn't believe my ears when your counsel, Mr Samovar
told me you guys 'thought' you were going to go with the UDRP since,
that's what you 'thought' everyone else was doing (meaning you guys had no
clue about responisibility to your registrants or anything having to do
with policy management). I ROFLMAOPMP'd for quite some time when you guys
pretty much told me you had no idea what that even meant or implied for
your registrants.

And then the infamous, "booty-buddy maneuver" with ICANN that backfired
and blew up in your face, while everyone else in the industry just sat
back and gobbled away from our popcorn bags - again, ROFLing away. Yeah,
just like your little operation was the only game in town, and never once
seeking support from the part of the community that you were, in
actuality, a member of.

It's almost to the point where no one even really takes you guys seriously
at all anymore - you warm up and try to cozy with ICANN and they spit in
your face. Then you try to identify what might have SOME kind of 
resemblance to 'home' so you can go and tattle-tale off to your mama :) 

When ICANN begins to consider you any thing more than a spec of dog-doo on
Toutan's shoe, when you actually begin to pose a serious commercial
potential in the marketplace, when you finally embrace yourself and your
brethren for what you really are, then and only then will anyone really
take notice of you. Then and only then will you find that you don't have
to bang on doors with rubber batter-rams left over from Chief Bill Gates'
militia. Then and only then will ICANN themselves approach the part of the
community that you truly belong and seek the reconciliation they will
eventually be compelled into.

If you keep acting as if you're the only game in town we'll all be more
than happy to continue accomodating you Dave :) 

You operate a "Competing Root System", and it's time you bozos woke up and
realized that the most important asset you have as a Registry/Registrar is
that of your registrants - You can start by guaranteeing them some basic
rights by virtue of their having registered domains through you.

I'll bet you don't even realize that The PacificRoot points to your TLDs
do you? That's why thousands of your customers use our root instead of
yours.

See, we don't have to like The conceited business practices
of organizations like yours (clueless even, I'm glad you took my sound
advice prior to the announcement of your initial launch into existance
and reduced your number of TLDs) in order to foster brotherhood,
cooperation, and rally to your support in our shared corner of the
industry. As a fellow constituent provider of services in the "Inclusive
Name Space" I'm going to give you the same advice Al gore Gave to Bill
Clinton durig the initial months of their first term in office:

"Get with the program Dave".

Or you could continue playing the part of the snot-nosed, petulent,
red-headed stepchild and both ICANN and the rest of the community will
continue ignoring you ;)  

BTW, Since we both live and work in the same town why don't we get
together for dinner during the upcoming November meetings? I'll even let
you pick up the tab :)

On Wed, 17 Oct 2001, David Hernand wrote:

> Members of the Names Council:
> 
> New.net feels compelled to elevate to the attention of the Names Council
> certain recent actions of the Business Constituency to deny the efforts of
> our company to participate in ICANN processes as a member of the Business
> Constituency.  We bring this matter before the Names Council as a last
> resort after making repeated unsuccessful attempts to resolve it first with
> leadership of the Business Constituency.
> 
> Earlier this year, New.net applied for membership in the Business
> Constituency.  As many of you know, New.net does not fall into the category
> of an ICANN-accredited registry or registrar, an ISP or any of the other
> constituencies within the DNSO, and yet we do operate a business that relies
> on the Internet for its existence and counts among the vast majority of its
> customers small and medium-sized enterprises that also rely on the Internet.
> Accordingly, we thought it logical for us to join the Business Constituency.
> We also thought that the Business Constituency would welcome our
> participation given recent statements of its leadership regarding their
> desire to broaden the Business Constituency's membership to include a larger
> number of small business interests to balance its current domination by
> large corporate interests.
> 
> After significant delay, our application was rejected by the Business
> Constituency's "Credentials Committee," which informed us that New.net does
> not meet the Business Constituency's charter redquirements because New.net
> is a "registry/registrar."  We then asked the BC Secretariat how such
> charter requirements comply with provisions in ICANN's Bylaws that expressly
> prohibit constituencies from denying membership to a person or entity on the
> basis that such person or entity also is a member of another ICANN
> constituency.  We received the following explanation:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BC secretariat [<mailto:secretariat@bizconst.org>]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:58 AM
> 
> The BC charter does not exclude registries and registrars from membership
> merely because of their participation in another constituency. The Charter
> distinguishes providers of network connectivity/ transport, domain name and
> other services that enable the development of electronic business, from
> their customers. The BC is an independent voice for the customers of such
> providers.  It is the potential divergence of interests, not the mere
> participation in another ICANN constituency, that underlies the membership
> criteria.
> 
> By any reasonable interpretation of this definition, a large portion of the
> Business Constituency's current membership should be excluded: AOL, AT&T,
> British Telecom, Clear Communications, Deutsche Telecom, Korea Telecom, MCI
> Worldcom, Movicom, SITA (operator of the .aero registry), and Telefonica,
> just to name the obvious.  Indeed, two of the three BC representatives to
> the Names Council represent "providers of network connectivity/transport."
> 
> With all due respect to the ability of individual constituencies to devise
> their own rules and operating procedures, we implore the Names Council to
> intervene in what is obviously an egregious abuse of discretionary power. We
> specifically request that the NC demand that the BC either (a) immediately
> request the resignation of all BC members who meet the above criteria,
> including the resignation from the NC of the representatives from AT&T and
> Clear Communications; or (b) direct the BC to revise its rules within 30
> days to more broadly encompass the business community and reconsider
> New.net's application for membership.
> 
> Your timely attention to this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> David Hernand
> CEO
> New.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> David M. Hernand
> CEO
> New.net
> 15260 Ventura Blvd., Ste. 2000
> Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 USA
> Phone: 818-385-2004
> Fax:   818-385-2010
> david@new.net
> 
> 
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Bradley D. Thornton
Chief Technology Officer
The PacificRoot/Joint Technologies Ltd.
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