RE: [ga] Songbird in the BC?

[Roeland Meyer <rmeyer@mhsc.com>]

Technically, one can join as many constituencies as will put up with you.
Legally, one only has to spend a few hundred bucks on some paper. BTW, MHSC
has been my sole source of support since 1997. Yet, it does not qualify for
the BC. OTOH, Mr. Crispin is employed by LLNL.GOV. How he gets into the
DNSO/BC is beyond my meager understanding. AFAIK, he does not run a business
and his songbird is strictly a hobby.

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Morgan Hill Software Company
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|> -----Original Message-----
|> From: James Love [mailto:love@cptech.org]
|> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:15 PM
|> To: eric@cafeinternet.info
|> Cc: Kent Crispin; ga@dnso.org
|> Subject: Re: [ga] Songbird in the BC?
|> 
|> 
|> How many constituencies can you belong to?  I thought it was 
|> just one.
|> Jamie
|> 
|> 
|> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Eric Dierker wrote:
|> 
|> > The following is one of the finest examples of elitist 
|> crap one can find.  I can
|> > just see this - Old chap smoking a fancy pipe while 
|> directing his boy to clean
|> > his eight iron,  "but of course anyone can join the club 
|> old boyo,  Oh and by
|> > the way here is a statement regards ISPs my barrister drew 
|> up for your ignorant
|> > understanding"
|> > 
|> > Get a grip Crispin your elitist days are numbered.  Tell 
|> us about the Yacht Club
|> > deal.  Tell us about your consultancy with ICANN - how 
|> about a financial
|> > disclosure?
|> > 
|> > Better yet disclose your relationship with the executive 
|> committee of our BoD.
|> > Is there a stipend that the GA could use associated with 
|> such services.  While
|> > Roberts tells us that ICANN cannot support a GA or an AL 
|> tell us how much they
|> > afford on your services.  And you are a member of two 
|> Constituencies?
|> > 
|> > Come clean or drop your comments Mr. lonely bird.  I used 
|> to think that what you
|> > do is your business but now I see that you take money that 
|> could allow
|> > individual users a voice on the Internet.  I hope you sleep well.
|> > 
|> > Quite Sincerely,
|> > Eric
|> > 
|> > Kent Crispin wrote:
|> > 
|> > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:34:38PM -0400, 
|> DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
|> > > > Jefsey, you indicated that Songbird recently became a 
|> member of the
|> > > > business constituency.  The Songbird website
|> > > > http://songbird.com/songbird/index.html seems to 
|> indicate that the
|> > > > company is primarily an ISP.
|> > >
|> > > ISP's, by the definition used in the ISP and BC constituency,
|> > > fundamentally provide internet connectivity to end 
|> users.  Songbird does
|> > > not provide internet connectivity to anyone.  Instead, Songbird's
|> > > services are limited to website hosting, design, development, and
|> > > consulting.  Entities that provide these services are 
|> sometimes loosely
|> > > referred to as ISPs, because the term "ISP" is used 
|> differently by
|> > > different people.  But as it is used in ICANN, Songbird 
|> is not an ISP.
|> > > (There is another term common in the business, "Internet Presence
|> > > Provider").
|> > >
|> > > > How then can it be a full member of the BC
|> > > > instead of merely an admitted observer?
|> > >
|> > > You could have figured this out yourself, but of course 
|> that would not
|> > > serve your purpose.
|> > >
|> > > > BC Charter:  "Legally recognized for-profit business 
|> enterprises that have
|> > > > been in business for less than one year and companies 
|> whose predominant
|> > > > business is to be a registry, a registrar or an ISP 
|> cannot have full
|> > > > membership status, but may become observers."
|> > > >
|> > > > I seems that Kent has developed the knack of being in 
|> a number of
|> > > > constituencies simultaneously while the rest of us 
|> remain unrepresented.
|> > > > Interesting.
|> > >
|> > > Yes, it is interesting.  It proves that the claims that 
|> you and others
|> > > make about being unrepresented are simply bogus noise.  
|> Anyone who
|> > > seriously wants to participate can do so.
|> > >
|> > > --
|> > > Kent Crispin                               "Be good, and 
|> you will be
|> > > kent@songbird.com                           lonesome." 
|> -- Mark Twain
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