Re: [ga] Internet stability

[Dan Steinberg <synthesis@videotron.ca>]

Actually I see no difference between establishing policies to ensure that TLDs
dont go dark and establishing policies to ensure that whole address blocks have
some failover.  It is a matter of ensuring confidence in the service.  As for
the marketplace absorbing failure, in the matter of certain services its not so
easy.  I think if, as you say, its analogous to the consumer inconvenience that
customers experience from airline failure....then there is no need for an ICANN
to be in the business of oversight on IP or DNS issues as they are now.


Ken Stubbs wrote:

> Happy holidays Dan...
>
> It sounds to me like your advocating that ICANN should be responsible for
> developing policies that deal with breakdowns of poorly operated business
> like this.
>
> it would seem to me that the "marketplace" would absorb failures here and
> there are, in most cases, redundancies to services currently provided should
> they fail.  my guess is that there are dsl and other alternative services in
> most markets (although the backup in my market will be 56k dialup) and ,
> though there will be inconveniences to consumers (just like airline
> failures) there are options. people will learn from these experiences and
> will elect to stay with more reliable providers in the future
>
> the one issue that I do have is not an icann policy issue but rather a
> "regulatory" licensing   issue and that is one of disclosure.  I live in a
> smaller market where there are many thousands of cable internet subscribers
> and, to-date,  Comcast has not disclosed directly to ANY of their
> subscribers that their service may be in danger of failure. they have a very
> "obscure" reference on their  homepage but I can assure you that virtually
> none of their subscribers are even aware of the www.comcast.com url much
> less the vague allusions located on the home page of the site under "answers
> to questions regarding comcast@home service".
>
> the people who grant exclusive licenses to these cable companies should
> require disclosure whenever continuation of service is in jeopardy under
> penalty of license forfeiture. (if the SEC can mandate "risk disclosure"
> then so can the licensing agencies !!
>
> i guess that one would have to decide whether cable internet access is an
> "essential service " when thare are viable alternatives available   (i think
> not !)
>
> ken stubbs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Steinberg" <synthesis@videotron.ca>
> To: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>
> Cc: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>; "General assembly list" <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Internet stability
>
> > Respectfully, I disagree.
> >
> > ICANN and its predecessor were never related to the defoliation process.
> Nor
> > were they ever associated with agricultural controls (or lack thereof)
> that led
> > to the mad cow disease problem.
> >
> > However the 24.xxx.xxx.xxx IP address block allocation that made the @home
> > business model possible in the first place, etc....
> > started with IANA. This has everything to do with stability.  If not at
> the
> > operational level, at least at the policy level where ICANN claims
> > jusrisdiction.
> >
> > You can pay risk mgmt consultants or other experts to tell you but it's
> just
> > common sense that the larger the single point of failure, the more you do
> to
> > provide either failure prevention or failover security.
> >
> > Ken Stubbs wrote:
> >
> > > what a "stretch " here !!
> > >
> > > next thing I expect to hear is that ICANN is somehow responsible for the
> > > past outbreaks of "Mad Cow" disease.
> > >
> > > when you get finish with this silly thread then you can next propose a
> > > resolution blaming ICANN for the "defoliation" of the rain forests in
> > > southeast Asia and south America
> > >
> > > ken stubbs
> > > (who by the way is coming to you from comcast@home  in orlando florida)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Roeland Meyer" <rmeyer@mhsc.com>
> > > To: "GA DNSO (E-mail)" <ga@dnso.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:36 PM
> > > Subject: [ga] Internet stability
> > >
> > > > As of midnight, tonight, 4 million users, just in the SF Bay Area, may
> > > lose
> > > > their internet connection due to the business failure of Excite @
> home.
> > > >
> > > > Lately, we've been talking about what matters. Well, this is what
> matters
> > > to
> > > > the Internet public. This has been seen coming for almost four months.
> Has
> > > > the ICANN even tried to do anything? Yet, ICANN claims to help
> stabilize
> > > the
> > > > Internet. The territory that ICANN claims, doesn't touch any part of
> this.
> > > >
> > > > This may be the largest outage in the history of the Internet.
> Heretofore,
> > > > the NorthPoint failure may have had claim to that honor. However,
> unlike
> > > > NorthPoint, Excite has mostly residential customers. Ergo, the impact
> on
> > > > business isn't as great. DSL providers can expect many new customers
> as a
> > > > result, even if Excite doesn't pull the plug tonight.
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > Morgan Hill Software Company
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> > > > http://www.mhsc.com
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> > Dan Steinberg
> >
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