Re: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??

["Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>]

All,

Might I suggest that neither of these messages is productive? While the
tactics that Patrick has employed aren't exactly subtle and certainly err on
the side of caustic as you point out Ken, the basic issue that Patrick
raises has some merit. And Patrick, certainly your case could be argued
without assassinating the character of those you don't agree with.

If we could all back off from the trigger on the rhetoric gun that we have
been walking around with and pointing at each other almost randomly, then
perhaps we might get some real work done.

Other, seemingly more productive and less political circles around the
internet (damned engineers get everything right, or rewrite it to get it
right ;), value rough consensus, & working code over mailing list rhetoric.
I haven't heard anyone state that individuals don't need meaningful
representation within ICANN. I've also seen some pretty good arguments both
for and against the ALSC and NAIS reports. What we are not seeing are valid
proposals that stand against the current propositions on the table - on the
contrary, as the thread quoted below indicates, whining, sniping and
counter-sniping seem to be the order of the day.

Guerilla tactics and bush fights can only take an issue so far - what we
need now is rough consensus and working code (or perhaps the reverse -
anything is preferable to the status quo.) Perhaps if we would take the time
to listen to one another just a bit more, talk just a little bit less and
propose a little bit more concretely, we might discover that consensus is
not such a difficult obligation to fulfill.

-rwr

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Stubbs" <kstubbs@digitel.net>
To: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>; "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??


> patrick....
>
> i wont be a "civil" as peter dengate thrush was with your
> comments................
>
> Elisabeth is a 'highly ethical" person and i am "disgusted" at your
> characterization .
>
> you are only "talking to hear yourself" and it baseless "garbage" like
this
> which only serve to cause any posting you make to this or any other list
> that much less "meaningful"..
>
> you only disrespect yourself with comments like this.
>
> ken stubbs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Corliss" <patrick@quad.net.au>
> To: "[ga]" <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 4:18 PM
> Subject: [ga] NC Review Task Force -- Captured by Business Interests ??
>
>
> > ==== > NC Teleconf Agenda 13 December 2001 <=====
> >
> > On Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:50:36 +0100, DNSO Secretariat wrote:
> >
> > >        DNSO Names Council Teleconference on 13 December 2001 - agenda
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > 2. Adoption of amended final report on review (Philip Sheppard) 15 mins
> >      - agreement to dissolve the Review task force
> >      http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011010.NCreview-report.html
> >
> > $$ Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency
> >
> >   3. Adoption of final report on dot Org (provisional) (Milton
> Mueller) -15
> >      mins.
> >      http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/nc-org/Arc00/msg00239.html
> >
> > ~$ Milton Mueller, NCDNH Constituency
> >
> >   4. Discussion on IDNs with IETF representative (provisional) Elisabeth
> >      Porteneuve - 30 mins.
> >      - next steps, IDN task force
> >
> > $$ Elizabeth Porteneuve, ccTLD Registries
> >
> >   5. Task force transfers TF (Marilyn Cade) - 5 mins.
> >      - comments from the GA (Danny Younger) 10 mins.
> >
> > $$ Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> >
> >   6. Task Force update since November 14 - 30 mins.
> >      - UDRP Caroline Chicoine
> >
> > $$ Caroline Chicoine, IP Constituency
> >
> >      - Structure Philip Sheppard
> >
> > $$ Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency
> >
> >      - WhoIs Paul Kane/Marilyn Cade
> >
> > $$ Paul Kane, Registrars Constituency
> > $$ Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> >
> > Of the constituency members mentioned, we have:
> >
> > $$    Marilyn Cade, Business Constituency
> > $$    Caroline Chicoine, IP Constituency
> > $$    Paul Kane, Registrars Constituency
> > ~$    Milton Mueller, NCDNH Constituency
> > $$    Elizabeth Porteneuve, ccTLD Registries (Herald for Philip
Sheppard)
> > $$    Philip Sheppard, Business Constituency (also associated with IP)
> >
> > By my count, that's:
> >
> >     5 of 6 supporting business interests.
> >     1 of 6 supporting nonprofits.
> >     0 of 6 supporting individual registrants.
> >
> > Capture, anyone ??
> >
> > Regards
> > Patrick Corliss
> >
> >
> >
> >
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