Re: [ga] Transfers & WHOIS

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Yep,

I do wax on.  I apologize for that.  But for me, where would you coders find a
little down time from that tower of truth.
I cannot imagine my life if not for regular interface with programmers and
coders.  I beat you up because you are dorks and geeks, but mano oh mano I love
your gals and guys.  I never accept an invitation to a tuxedo fare do well lest
I have one of you by my side.

Yes Roeland I do ramble.  I know yu foks lik to gt rt to te pont.  But give me
a break here. I got sum convincing to do.

I have to take what you propose and win it in the public eye.  And you guys
don't give a hoot.  fine do not be compassionate but allow me to be so that I
can sell your product.  Us polywogs aint all that bad but let us do our jobs,
and let us protect you to do yours.

Eric

Roeland Meyer wrote:

> In all of that rambling, I think that we're saying the same thing. You just
> added a peck of confusion spice. No programmer is going to write something
> that they're certain won't be used. Arbitrary policies create the sort of
> itch that programmers tend to scratch with running code. If you will read
> carefully, I thought I was pretty clear that I was talking about policies
> that restrict capabilities. Those will be hammered by code. Code that find
> good acceptance is the end-users vote against the policies.
>
> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: Eric Dierker [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
> |> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 12:50 PM
> |> To: Roeland Meyer
> |> Cc: 'Eric@Business.com.VN'; 'Rick H Wesson'; 'Jefsey Morfin';
> |> 'ga@dnso.org'
> |> Subject: Re: [ga] Transfers & WHOIS
> |>
> |>
> |> Roeland and Jefsey,
> |>
> |> I just gave these posts to my UCSD computer scientist
> |> roommate and he reflected
> |> what his professor, Elkan Chasler told him when inquiring on
> |> the instructions
> |> on a web site and systems assignment instructions.
> |> Student: "What do you mean by integration and easy communication?"
> |> Prof: "don't ask me I am just an ignorant user, your grade
> |> will reflect what I
> |> would pay for your product."
> |>
> |> This stupid user and my programming friend pounded out into
> |> the wee hours of
> |> the morning what I wanted and he got paid an A.
> |>
> |> Follow the money not the technology and the money is where
> |> I, as a consumer
> |> will spend it.  Roeland you call it a burden those of us in
> |> the people biz call
> |> it supply and demand.
> |>
> |> Microsoft tries dictating said demand and keeps ending up in
> |> court.  However
> |> they also give us what we want and make big dough.
> |>
> |> Let me be blunt; don't you code writers dare tell us
> |> consumers what we demand,
> |> we will tell you and the smart ones will provide it.  The
> |> same is well said for
> |> transfers and Whois, me and ignoramus marketing idiots like
> |> me will determine
> |> the public user desire and the folks who supply my demand
> |> will be successful
> |> and those of you who would tell us what we need will be
> |> cutting bait as we
> |> fish.
> |>
> |> Now that said, you tell me you got a better mouse trap - and
> |> by God if you do -
> |> I will make the masses want it, even if you are wrong,
> |> because what the heck do
> |> the masses know anyhow.
> |>
> |> Again bluntly, don't you code writers dare tell consumers
> |> what they can and
> |> cannot have!  We will not stand for it and will find a code
> |> writer who will
> |> accomplish what we want.
> |>
> |> (ya WXW cuss my friend Jim, but if he spends a mil on
> |> advertising you are a
> |> Goner) Long live the inclusive roots. And longer live you
> |> coders that make
> |> roots absoulete {sp intentional}
> |>
> |> Eric
> |>
> |>
> |> Roeland Meyer wrote:
> |>
> |> > Sorry for the P.S.
> |> >
> |> > The best example I can think of for this is the Unix vs
> |> Linux event. Unix
> |> > was a restricted proprietary operating system. The burden
> |> became so onerous
> |> > that it prompted the birth of Linux and the open source community.
> |> >
> |> > |> -----Original Message-----
> |> > |> From: Roeland Meyer
> |> > |> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 10:50 AM
> |> > |> To: 'Eric@Business.com.VN'; Rick H Wesson
> |> > |> Cc: Jefsey Morfin; ga@dnso.org
> |> > |> Subject: RE: [ga] Transfers & WHOIS
> |> > |>
> |> > |>
> |> > |> It has been proven, over a period of decades, in many more
> |> > |> networks than the present Internet, that running code trumps
> |> > |> whatever arbitrary policies that non-coders can come up
> |> > |> with, every time. It has to, first and above all, make sense
> |> > |> to the programmers or they will not write the code that way.
> |> > |> If you actually pay the programmers to implement arbitrary
> |> > |> policies then other programmers will write a new version
> |> > |> that opens it up to "technical limits-only" and that's the
> |> > |> version that becomes the defacto standard.
> |> > |>
> |> > |> Operating under any other assumption has proven to be
> |> > |> delusional in the past, over many instances. Hence, my
> |> > |> comments in this area. There are instance-proofs involving
> |> > |> MSFT, IBM, HP, SUN, and DEC, among others.
> |> > |>
> |> > |> Implementing policies that are a sub-set of the technical
> |> > |> limits has proven to have limited success in the past and
> |> > |> track-record is all that matters. Unless, you like repeating
> |> > |> mistakes and adding to the body of evidence stating otherwise.
> |> > |>
> |> > |> -----Original Message-----
> |> > |> From: Eric Dierker [mailto:eric@hi-tek.com]
> |> > |> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 6:53 PM
> |> > |> To: Rick H Wesson
> |> > |> Cc: Jefsey Morfin; ga@dnso.org
> |> > |> Subject: Re: [ga] Transfers & WHOIS
> |> > |>
> |> > |>
> |> > |> It is my understanding that this is a TF within the
> |> DNSO via the NC.
> |> > |> Not IETF, ASO or PSO.
> |> > |> It is therefor very much about the politics and privacy
> |> > |> issues of WHOIS and not so much about the technical aspects.
> |> > |>  If I am not mistaken there are many perfectly acceptable
> |> > |> technical applications and the questions to be resolved are
> |> > |> of a social nature, contractual nature, privacy nature and
> |> > |> moral nature.
> |> > |> I would be interested to see any reference otherwise.
> |> > |> Sincerely,
> |> > |>
> |>
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