Re: [ga] Elections

[Eric Dierker <eric@hi-tek.com>]

Thanks Jeff,

You dawg,.  I work on it but it seems anything ICANN is a leper.  So I
trick,
cajole and outright lie and it comes back to - no one will donate to
ICANN because
of their track record.

No says the UN, no say universities, to hell with them say lending
groups, no say
foundations!

Ideas? I will try anything.

Isn't Jeffsey's treatise right on point.  I hang my head in abject
failure.  If I
could fund him and Kristee we would take off like a star.

Sorry buddy but I am a loser.

Sorry Danny I gave it a good shot!  Damn sure looks like they killed the
funding
wars.

E

Jeff Williams wrote:

> Jefsey and all assembly members,
>
> Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>
> > On 03:05 10/12/01, Eric Dierker said:
> > >I sometimes read into Jefseys' writing that he has an anarchist view
> > >point toward ICANN.
> > >
> > >I ask him to deliberate on that point.
> >
> > 1. I want to thank Jeff for his nomination but I do not think I would
> > professionally be able to afford the job. I merely spend time on the GA
> > during program loadings or compilations. To take it as a real
> > responsibility is out of my investment scheme, unless I would find a sponsor.
>
>   I hope that you will reconsider or consider agreeing to at least run Jefsey.
> I am also sure that Eric will be able to pick back up gathering sponsorship
> for the GA in terms of funding.  This should include, as he pointed our
> in a post yesterday (not subject), and I responded to, any and all the
> funding that the DNSO GA and especially the next elected chair will
> need.  GO Eric GO!
>
> >
> >
> > 2. dear Eric, you ask a good question as my actions may look anarchist some
> > times. I will certainly explain that again. I will try to keep it short,
> > but I am afraid that revisiting the whole ICANN and Internet may ask for a
> > few lines.
> >
> > My position is absolutely the reverse to anarchy. The Internet is
> > technically a space of liberty. It is an interconnecting system what makes
> > it totally distributed on a peer to peer architecture so any attempt to
> > manage it as a star network (like the ICANN tries) or even as a meshed
> > system as the ccTLDs try in organization themselves is a technical, social,
> > commercial, political violation of the system architecture and
> > participants' and world's legitimate expectations. So we may expect that on
> > the short range - as we see the ICANN or on the medium range as we feel the
> > ccTLDs, it will not work and will create us a major problem.
> >
> > I only recently realized that by chance I am one of the very few who
> > experienced the way a peer to peer system of real magnitude (the
> > international public packet service cooperated by public monopolies of the
> > time) could work, make money, satisfy tens of thousands of users worldwide
> > and the way it is be developed, built, deployed, operated, managed,
> > marketed, supported and administered. Many others have thought, have
> > planed, have dreamed about that: I got the chance to be paid by it for
> > years. So I know that it works, how it works and why it works. At that
> > level I think that only Joe Rinde, to some extent Bob Trehin, Jack
> > McDonnell, Neil Sullivan and Bob McCormick experienced the same in the
> > whole world, and to some very lower extent Bob Harcharick, the former boss
> > of Vint Cerf.
> >
> > This is why I say the ICANN mission creep is blocking the world
> > development. This is why I say the "alt(sic)root" issue is of interest but
> > only as a temporary patch to the real question of the name space
> > management. This is why I want the ICANN to assume fully and only its
> > mission of light IANA registry functions as this is the best and only way
> > to help the Internet resuming its contribution to the world's development.
> > You may have noticed that the new economy crisis came at the time of Mike
> > Roberts' TLD applications fee, of lack of portable IP addresses provision
> > by ICANN and of international domain name uncertain announcement. These
> > were odd elements of  instability which contributed to the loss of trust in
> > the Internet imperial development.
> >
> > You see Internet is not a leader of the world's development. It is both
> > "only" its mirror and its agent. As such it is the image of the people: it
> > must reflect you and your dotcommers positions and address your needs. But
> > as such it also must be an help for you and for all of them to make a new
> > social step. The most rewarding news for me this last year was the creation
> > of two aborigine TLDs. The Internet belongs to the people because it is the
> > people. It only show the new ways the society is organizing: governance is
> > not something particular to the Internet, it is a very common system
> > developing everywhere to manage community consensus. Belgium - who
> > presently conducts the EEC - wants to make it the next European workshop
> > after the Euro. We are here talking about more serious things than the
> > Staff secret meetings.
> >
> > So what you name my anarchy is only the firm belief that any messing
> > against inadequate (non governance) structurations, creep and greed will
> > ultimately protect every of us, allowing the community inner forces to
> > stabilize us in a proper new order. Because this is the way the world
> > always proceeded. Since I saw it working before at real international and
> > Government level - I was a very small member of the State Department
> > delegation at the CCITT (now ITU/T) and related with many Govs through the
> > State Monopolies - I know it will happen again necessarily and that the
> > ICANN stiffness and wrong network understanding is just delaying us. So
> > delaying the ICANN until the ICANN understands is just saving us time,
> > money, lifes and souls as the Internet is something serious for the world
> > economy, people's health and common cultural deployment. Hence my demand
> > that the ICANN considers its acts not to enlarge unwillingly the financial,
> > lingual and digital divides, what I believe it really does without noticing
> > it.
> >
> > For you to understand simply in simple words. On a star or on a meshed
> > network the user station is considered as part of a tight or of a lose
> > whole and therefore is controlled by others. Two systems you know well are
> > used as models by the ICANN thinking: the XIXth century inherited legal
> > system for Joe Sims and Louis Touton and the XXth telephone systems for
> > many others.
> >
> > In a distributed system the boss is you. You control the system to see if
> > it feet your needs and you use the services or the tools you want to do it.
> > If we keep the image of mobiles : the mobile phones are a meshed network,
> > the walkie-talkies are a distributed system. The difference is that in a
> > real Internet architecture the ICANN is not the boss, it is the servant.
> > For example its mission is to help you managing *your* root. For your own
> > global private virtual network you shape the way you want with the
> > connections you want and the banners you decide to accept.
> >
> > We could go very far in explaining how it works and pays. The only thing
> > you have really to know is that it happens that the three components of our
> > today Internet - the IP addresses, the TCP/IP protocol set and the DNS -
> > are transparent to these philosophies of use. This means that stability and
> > security do not depend on the ICANN - ICANN is a threat as long as it wants
> > to be directive and is a help as soon as they accept to serve (Good Book
> > says that if you want to be the boss you have to be the servant). Stability
> > and security only depend on your own machine architecture which has nothing
> > to do with IETF.
> >
> > If you want to keep going the Microsoft way and use Passport, whois, the
> > USG root ... please do it.  You only subcontract these services. If you
> > want to adopt a QuiEst approach, run your own root for your own global
> > virtual private network you will forget about most of the ICANN except as
> > being a convenient source of organized information you may want to use or
> > event to contribute to, according to its published and equal to all ICP
> > rules. You will even pay it for that service if you like it, the same as
> > you do it today with McAffee or F-Prot to get a virus protection.
> >
> > Now, this long explanation being given, you see that the role of a Chair in
> > a distributed environment is not to be a pusher as in a star network or a
> > leader as in a meshed system (our world now is more and more distributed
> > and the e-mail system is the best example of the force behind of this
> > change: polylogue - as monologue goes with star network and dialogue with
> > meshed systems). His role is to be a catalyst. And this is far more complex!
> >
> > Jefsey
> >
> >
> >
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