RE: [ga] ad homina

[Joseph <fhlee@tm.net.my>]

Hi Jeffsey and all,

	I would like to retract my last post on this subject.  I have confused
Jefsey's statement with another issue and have posted in haste. My
appologies to all involved. Please accept my appologies.

best regards,
- Joseph LEE (Fook Heng)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Jefsey
Morfin
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:42 PM
To: ga@dnso.org
Subject: RE: [ga] ad homina


Dear Joseph and those who wrote me personally;

On 04:35 13/12/01, Joseph said:
>if you need to "solidarize" yourself to Jeff, you must also do the same for
>the others as from what I read, the exchanges/emotions seems to be mutual.
>The only stance you made with the statement is to take side.  Why a sudden
>shift from your usual "center" stance?  Of course, I am all in-support for
>moderated language in our public postings.

True, I take side ... the side of the human rights and of the GA
self-respect.

There is a huge difference between opposition someone for what he says and
for what he is.

Opposing for what he says is your right and sometimes your duty. And this
is what a mailing list and consensus uncovering and decision processes are
about.

Opposing for what he is is only acceptable in two cases:
- conflicts of interest vs the group' charter
- a unversal reprobation as for nazi

Otherwise this is appartheid. In that case, I am sorry I will be on the
"wrong" side.

I obviously fully accept that Mr. Williams or Mr. Diecker are defeated in a
vote. But not that one discuss to change the rules or to be a candidate or
not because Mr. Williams and/or Mr. Diecker are candidates.

In fact I suppose those who are so vocal here only fear that Mr. Williams
and Mr. Diecker might be elected and try to avoid a vote they might lose.

When you are a candidate you certainly can be investigated and questionned
in regards to your conflicts of interes, of your positions, etc... Not
about your privacy and the use of your legitimate rights.

Jefsey









>best of regards,
>- Joseph LEE (Fook Heng)
>========================
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of Jefsey
>Morfin
>Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:23 AM
>To: ga@dnso.org
>Subject: [ga] ad homina
>
>
>I must express my real regrets about the situation which currently develops
>at the GA. Most of the posts are considering as an accepted matter that
>Members may be personnally criticized and investigated. Until now that kind
>of situation never happened. Even in the case of Mr. Walsh or Mr. Younger.
>
>I therefore want to indicate my full and total solidarity with Mr. Jeff
>Williams and Mr. Eric Dieker. I am not at this stage interested in any of
>the particulars. I am only interested in the shame of our disciminatory
>attitudes. I will consider that everything said against any of them only
>because they are them will be said against me. Any one willing to join is
>welcome: I think it is the only way to stop this.
>
>I also want to tell my concern at the international lack of maturity this
>represents in the case of Mr. Jeff Williams. I do not want again to enter
>in any detail about what is represented against Mr. Williams. It may be
>conceived as an offence by some US people due to the US legal culture. But
>it his is a perfect right under the Habeas Corpus and his acknowldged right
>under most of the free speach and civil rights in most of the countries
>including mine. Teasing is something, hurting ad hominem is not acceptable.
>
>I am in no way to juge the reasons of any action of my fellow members, but
>I could not let this continue. We are not the BoD.
>Jefsey Morfin
>
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