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Re: [ga] RIPE NCC response to the Lynn Roadmap
Jefsey Morfin wrote:
On 08:15 03/03/02, William S. Lovell said:
>Jefsey Morfin wrote:
>Meanwhile, back at NSI, it was seeking to claim ownership of the .com,
>.org and .gov names as such -- a truly arrogant effort that was properly
>thwarted. So what's to own? (Even though NSI was sold to Verisign
for $17
>billion, gained from "property" belonging to the USG -- which is to
say,
>you and me.)
I am sorry this property does not belong to you and me because of the
USG
(I am French).
True, true! Even I have to remind myself now and then that my posts go
'round
the world, as do those of all of our whole bunch here! :-)
It belongs to you and me because we said so in 1980s
when
com was decided by Mr. Boutmy's team and net by Mr. Haykens and me.
So fill us in! That would be a fascinating tale to read.
>Upon what authority does ICANN act? What lawful
control over the Internet,
>and both the technical and policy aspects of it, does the USG have?
None. But it has the IANA function management incuding the USG root
seve
system master root file management.
>please dont call it a "global ICANN" -- we've seen enough of that.)
Global has a precise meaning I fought for in early 1980s to introduce
stablity in the naming plan in spite of the large number of inteconnected
systems with different footpahts.
Global, yes; ICANN, no. Read on below.
The ICANN global network has the precise
meaning of "all the parts of the Interconnected Networks for which
the
ICANN serves as a naming and address common registry".
> > The NIC will form an ICANN constituency-orgnization-SO [as you may
like]
> > and will work at being acknowldged as the ICANN/GA. The ICANN contract
will
> > then be replaced by a voted global ICANN NIC Membership equal
to all. This
> > Membeship will detail the committees/SOs etc.. the different groups
of a
> > NIC will participate to.
>
>Again, please drop the ICANN nomenclature -- there's too much baggage
being
>carried along with it.
The ICANN is properly designed. It is just sick of itself. That
is to
consider itself as the center of the world instead of being the servant
of
everyone (the "net keeper"). You may change the words out of furstration
but the functions will stay.
Not necessarily. You say "But it has the IANA function management
incuding the
USG root sever system master root file management." But any bunch of
folks with
access to a global phone system and a pile of computers can construct
the very
same thing as it stands on day X, start using it, and ignore the IANA
and ICANN.
Right? If icannatlarge (under whatever name) succeeded in helping to
isolate the
originally intended technical function undertaken by ICANN,
without all of the
policy baggage, UDRPs and other trash that it cooked up at the behest
of guess
who, then we could similarly generate a forceful, globally based voice
that in
fact would deal with general issues of internet governance --
a voice that we
have never had, nor would ever have, within ICANN.
(Of course, should icannatlarge be drawn into the friendly folds of
ICANN at
Accra, the term ICANN would remain and what you refer to above would
be
the way to go, and you'd be perfectly correct. My running premise
(see other
post of this date) is that that will not happen. The NIC per se
would not be
involved under my premise, but the very same folks who have the expertise
in this field might well decide then to become involved, one
would hope. In
fact, to have icannatlarge a part of ICANN would, to my mind, be doing
it
the hard way -- it would be a fight with ICANN every inch of the way,
whereas if the entity I speak of had no ICANN association, we could
tell
ICANN to "go away and don't bother us.")
Bill
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