Re: [ga] Some issues raised by today's FTC action

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Peter and all assembly members,

Peter de Blanc wrote:

> I agree with the concerns about "ICANN approved" and "regulators" and
> "accredited domain name registrars"
>
> The credit card protest or charge back window is actually 6 months.
>
> Those are larger issues, apart from the specific .usa example.
>
> Does that mean that New.NET is not an "accredited domain name
> registrar," and subject to the same action?

  Good question.  But New.Net is not a registrar, it is a registry
that has is it's own Registrar as well.  A better question would
be "in that some ccTLD's that are not ICANN accredited registries
or registrars, could they be subject to the same action if a complaint
is filed?

>
>
> Peter de Blanc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of John
> Palmer
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 7:59 PM
> To: Ga
> Subject: Re: [ga] Some issues raised by today's FTC action
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Schneiders" <marc@fuchsia.bijt.net>
> To: <DannyYounger@cs.com>
> Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Some issues raised by today's FTC action
>
> > On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, at 13:26 [=GMT-0500], DannyYounger@cs.com wrote:
> >
> > > The action taken by the FTC today to shut down the .usa website
> > > raises a number of issues.  The FTC alleges that the companies
> > > involved are not accredited domain name registrars, that the ".usa"
> > > domain names are not usable on the Internet, and that they probably
> > > never will be useable.
> > >
> > > Since when did ICANN accreditation become a necessary precondition
> > > to providing domain name registration services?  Is ICANN as a
> "coordinator" now
> > > being viewed as a "regulator" by US Government agencies?  Are all
> domains in
> > > the alternate roots now at risk?  On what basis is the claim being
> > > made
> that
> > > domains not in the legacy root "are not usable on the Internet" and
> > > will probably never be usable?
> >
> > Yes, that not being accredited is a bit weird. But the fraud of this
> > 'registrar' consisted mainly, in my eyes solely, in the domains not
> > working. There were no nameservers for them. They simply 'sold' a name
>
> > and did not provide the service, to wit DNS. The non-ICANN TLD's,
> > which are carried by alternative roots, do have nameservers. So they
> > do work.  The service is provided, even if one has to use an
> > alternative root to see them.
> >
>
> Their claim was that they were going to set up nameservers sometime in
> 2002. Thats convieniently after mosts people's 30/60 day legal right to
> protest charges on their credit card had passed.
>
> The issue here is that they did not disclose that the domains would not
> be visible to a large part of the internet, except on areas of the
> website that were too hidden or in too fine a print to satisfy the
> requirements of federal law.
>
> I find it comforting that statements made by FTC officials say that they
> don't intend to go after inclusive namespace TLD registrars unless they
> try to "deceive people into thinking that the domains will work like any
> other Web Addresses" . http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-857033.html The
> problem is that the public may turn away from inclusive namespace TLDs
> without looking closer due to this. Thats life. We move on and continue
> the education process about what ICANN is and who we are.
>
> Legitimate registries have gtld servers for their TLDs and are listed in
> at least one root server network (Thats easy - most inclusive RSNs dont
> impose nonsense rules and charge $50k in lotteries to get listed).  The
> ADNS .USA is alive and well and has been in existence since we filed our
> application with Jon Postel and IANA back in September 1995.
>
> John
>
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