Re: [ga] Re: Names Council Resolution on Reform

[eric@hi-tek.com]

Well I don't see that ICANN as any role in this at all.
For us UScentric folks we can review;
http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2002/isenberg-2002-05.html    and,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35747-2002Aug2.html

and get a sense that ICANN is a toy of placation and not one of real meaning.

However it is a great place to debate the issues and learn from colleagues.
Joe your contributions and patience with us dotcommoners is appreciated.

I would suggest you have a meeting with Senator McCain and work with his technical
staff.


Sincerely,
Eric



Joe Baptista wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Aug 2002 eric@hi-tek.com wrote:
>
> > Dear Dr. Joe,
> >
> > How do we block this threat of kiddie porn, or should we?
> > I stand high on the principle of choice but not to that degree.
> > I do not think Jim is working to create a bad scenario.
>
> not much we can do about it.  i simply mentioned the fact that ipv8 is
> secure enough for kiddie porn networks and untraceable.  of course on the
> positive side - it's also private enough to ensure every net user
> anonymity - including both the good guys and bad guys.
>
> but it does have alot of potential liability - which is why our ipv8
> assignments will be directly managed by our users - we can see potential
> headaches in it.
>
> % whois in-addr.god
> #
> # [DOMAIN RECORD]
> #
> #        Domain:     in-addr.god
> #
> #  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
> #       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
> #
> #      DNS type:     Parked at registry
> #
> #        Status:     Active
> #  Date created:     2002-03-07
> # Last modified:     2002-03-08
>
> % whois in-addr.satan
> #
> # [DOMAIN RECORD]
> #
> #        Domain:     in-addr.satan
> #
> #  Organization:     In trust .GOD & .SATAN Domain Owners
> #       Contact:     hostmaster@dot-god.com
> #
> #      DNS type:     Parked at registry
> #
> #        Status:     Active
> #  Date created:     2002-03-07
> # Last modified:     2002-03-08
>
> we run 7:186 GOD ipv8
>
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
>
> regards
> joe
>
> > Thinking especially outside of ICANN what can we do to make it all better?
> > My three teenagers have a hard driven sense of morality that is more conservative
> > than mine but meets with general standards.  We speak frequently and indeed email
> > frequently about right and wrong.  I do not think we can dictate morality or
> > ethics to those who do not engage in discourse about life in general.
> >
> > You normally stay the technical course but you have swayed into my area of
> > ministry.
> >
> > You speak now of facts but do not offer guidance.
> >
> > What is your suggestion?
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, todd glassey wrote:
> > >
> > > > If the Chinese are half as smart as I usually give them credit for, what
> > > > they will do is insist on two roots and an interoperability treaty. The
> > > > point is that ICANN has no right to insist that there be only one root, or
> > > > only one Internet. And what they (the Chinese Government) will probably tell
> > > > the world is that China has an Information Control policy that is political
> > > > rather than technical and that it must operate its own root to satisfy this.
> > > > If it is really smart, China might also replicate the entirety of IPv4 space
> > > > by simply implementing a set of Gateway NAT Bridges in and out of China.
> > >
> > > exactly.  and i support your view of the chiness position.  now i know the
> > > chiness are twice as smart as we give them credit for.  so i would say
> > > they would put some added catch 22 into the works that would favour them.
> > > and possibly use a terrorist angle - which is all the fashion rage this
> > > year i hear.
> > >
> > > > Now the world and the techies will jump up and down screaming gross
> > > > oppression, and that they have a"right" (and I assume we will soon hear
> > > > Cisco screaming about this too)... but the fact of the matter is that this
> > > > is the ONLY way any country can impose eBorders, and that is something
> > > > despite ICANN, that each and every country has the right and need to do.
> > >
> > > i don't know about the right and need to do.  in a perfect democracy no
> > > eboarders are required.
> > >
> > > > The problem is that ICANN and its PSO's have made it almost
> > > > impossible,without this type of compartmentalization, of having a judicial
> > > > boundary for anything electronic... And this is based in no restraint or
> > > > understanding of the global effects of new protocols on the Internet, and
> > > > the ISP's and long haul carriers just blindly laughing and routing them.
> > >
> > > exactly and with satellite technology routing around governments is
> > > elementary.
> > >
> > > > If The Internet was truly compartmentalized then Napster would not have been
> > > > anything close to the problem it was since it could be addressed this way.
> > > > Same diff with Kiddy Porn sites, and other illegal offerings.
> > >
> > > i have some bad news.  i have examined jim flemmings ipv8 and i would not
> > > be surprised if that protocol ends up as kiddie porn heaven.  in fact
> > > any group who does not want to be traced can use ipv8 to communicate
> > > securly in secure user communities.  it would put the power of napster
> > > into the hands of kiddy porn sites and of course anyone else with an
> > > interest in privacy.  impossible to trace.
> > >
> > > we live in interesting times.  i understand thats a chiness curse too.
> > >
> > > regards ;)
> > > joe
> > >
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