RE: Thick vs.thin (was: [ga] Casting stones)

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@verisign.com>]

I look forward to further thoughts on this.  For the first time, we are now
getting to the point where we can begin to compare real differences of the
thin and thick registry models in the gTLD space.

Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 4:02 PM
> To: 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Stephane Bortzmeyer'; 'Rick Wesson'; 'Joop
> Teernstra'; 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Gary 
> Osbourne';
> DannyYounger@cs.com; ga@dnso.org
> Subject: RE: Thick vs.thin (was: [ga] Casting stones)
> 
> 
> It's not the cost of the network that is the variable, but the cost to
> the network - ie, the Internet as a whole. For one, there is a
> tremendous opportunity cost associated with a centralized 
> structure a la
> a thick registry in terms of lost innovation, competition etc. I was
> actually thinking about fleshing out the concept a little bit 
> further in
> a document of some sort - the ambitious can get a head start on me by
> drilling down on some of the theories surrounding the option 
> value of a
> network, the e2e principle etc. and apply them to the current
> registry-registrar construct and its various iterations...
> 
> 
> 
>                        -rwr
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an
> idiot."
> - Steven Wright
> 
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> http://www.byte.org/heathrow
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes@verisign.com] 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:37 PM
> > To: 'ross@tucows.com'; 'Stephane Bortzmeyer'; 'Rick Wesson'; 
> > 'Joop Teernstra'; 'Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 
> > 'Gary Osbourne'; DannyYounger@cs.com; ga@dnso.org
> > Subject: RE: Thick vs.thin (was: [ga] Casting stones)
> > 
> > 
> > Ross,
> > 
> > Do you have any data to back up your conclusion about the 
> > cost of the network?
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ross Wm. Rader [mailto:ross@tucows.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:54 AM
> > > To: 'Stephane Bortzmeyer'; 'Rick Wesson'; 'Joop Teernstra'; 
> > 'Michael 
> > > Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law'; 'Gary Osbourne'; 
> > > DannyYounger@cs.com; ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: RE: Thick vs.thin (was: [ga] Casting stones)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > While the thick registry is certainly convenient from a
> > > management point
> > > of view, the cost to the network likely exceeds the value of the
> > > savings...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                        -rwr
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the 
> > shore like an 
> > > idiot."
> > > - Steven Wright
> > > 
> > > Please review our ICANN Reform Proposal: 
> > http://www.byte.org/heathrow
> > >  
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf
> > > > Of Stephane Bortzmeyer
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:07 AM
> > > > To: Rick Wesson; Joop Teernstra; Michael Froomkin - U.Miami 
> > > > School of Law; Gary Osbourne; DannyYounger@cs.com; ga@dnso.org
> > > > Subject: Re: Thick vs.thin (was: [ga] Casting stones)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 09:46:46AM +0200,
> > > >  Thomas Roessler <roessler@does-not-exist.org> wrote
> > > >  a message of 30 lines which said:
> > > > 
> > > > > With the thick model (when implemented from the beginning
> > > of a TLD),
> > > > > the registry can go jurisdiction shopping in order to 
> be able to
> > > > > implement whatever privacy policy they like.  
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure it is effective. For instance, ICANN
> > > > accreditation for a registrar in .com requires the registrar 
> > > > to escrow a copy ot its database to ICANN (I do not know how 
> > > > many comply). Therefore, US rules apply to everybody, 
> > > > whatever the registrar it chooses.
> > > > 
> > > > > (Ever thought about
> > > > > what happens when you put a thick registry into a country with
> > > > > strict privacy regulations?)
> > > > 
> > > > The future .eu will work that way (thick and under "strict"
> > > > privacy regulations). Registrants who find these regulations 
> > > > too strict ("I want to give away my personal data") can 
> > > > always transmit them by themselves :-)
> > > > 
> > > > > With the thin model, the customer can go jurisdiction
> > > shopping when
> > > > > selecting the registrar.
> > > > 
> > > > The .eu registry will probably (people in Brussels still 
> > think about
> > > > it) implement a different model, where people will be able to
> > > > express their privacy desires (may be with P3P 
> > > > <URL:http://www.w3.org/P3P/)>. Two contenders for the 
> > > > management of the Registry, CORE and us, are working on a 
> > > > common proposal (do not hold your breath, there are 
> > > > complicated technical and political
> > > > issues) for expressing privacy requirments.
> > > > 
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