[ga] Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??

["Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>]

Can you point to the positive, pro-active, actions that Karl has taken since elected to the Board ?

Has Karl prepared a proposed budget for next year ?

When was the last time Karl was in the ICANN offices and reviewed the employee time records ?

Despite a Directors disagreements with an organization, they still have to bear full responsibility for
their actions from the day they become a Director to the day they are no longer a Director.

It appears as though ICANN will clean house and get new Directors and new Staff. In order to
attract quality Directors and Staff, revenues have to be arranged to support payment of quality people.
It makes no sense to have Directors who are never in the ICANN offices. It makes no sense to
have Staff who do not report to work, or report on their progress. The Directors have (or had)
a fiduciary responsibility to make it all happen...has that happened ?

Jim Fleming
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----- Original Message -----
From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@Ameritech.Net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>; <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>;
"Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee" <k@widgital.com>; <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra"
<terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>; <jefsey@jefsey.com>;
<james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>; <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Eric Dierker" <Eric@hi-tek.com>
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??


> No Jeff - he (Karl)  is bound by a confidentiality agreement between him and
> the Board, and  I am sure of that. So Karl cannot legally disclose the
> contents of any board actions or its finances or those actions of ICANN
> management under penalty of a civil suit.
>
> The problem is that ICANN would be really hard pressed to actually get any
> money out of the suit, but they could under the California Bar's new ethics
> sensitivity, file a complaint that he was unethical and that might be an
> issue. Either way, I would not be surprised to hear Karl say that he would
> not disclose the contents of the financial records that he was to review as
> a Director.
>
> Todd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>;
> <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>; "Richard
> Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee" <k@widgital.com>;
> <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe
> Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Eric Dierker"
> <Eric@hi-tek.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
>
>
> > Todd and all,
> >
> > todd glassey wrote:
> >
> > > Response inline below - Karl - please feel free to correct me if I am
> wrong
> > > anywhere here.
> > >
> > > Todd
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> > > Cc: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>; <yjpark@myepark.com>;
> > > <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola" <vb@vitaminic.net>; "Richard
> > > Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee"
> <k@widgital.com>;
> > > <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>; "Joe
> > > Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> > > <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>; <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> > > <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>; "Karl Auerbach"
> > > <karl@cavebear.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 6:19 PM
> > > Subject: Re: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
> > >
> > > > Todd and all,
> > > >
> > > >   I believe that what you suggest is exactly what Karl is doing now
> > > > with the financial records he is recieving from ICANN as the
> > > > legal action he took required ICANN to provide...
> > >
> > > I dont think that Karl can legally disclose anything he is exposed to in
> > > confidence as a board memeber unless he sees something that he knows is
> an
> > > illegality.
> >
> >   I believe that he actually can legally.  None the less Todd, Karl will
> > not be a member of the BOD much longer...  Hence this may be a moot
> > point...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > What I want is a full-on audit capable of catching any illegality or
> > > contrdictions in its operations, since the organization (as far as I can
> > > tell) has failed under the Laws of California to operate itself in
> concert
> > > with its charter and original by-laws that were necessary to obtain the
> NTIA
> > > contract. What this means is that ICANN either made promises to the
> Federal
> > > Government in order to beawarded the NTIA contract that they allegedly
> have
> > > not kept, and that they are now voting to eliminate from the by laws to
> > > permanently silence that requirement. But from all I can see, a
> concerted
> > > effort to actually accomplish that would be fraud and since it would
> take
> > > many people within ICANN to pull that off and they are across State
> Lines,
> > > this becomes a Federal Matter for the FBI and takes on a real ugly set
> of
> > > possibilities.
> > >
> > > Before we get to a Qui Tam action against ICANN on the behalf of the US
> > > Domain Owners, I think an end-to-end audit by a real world professional
> > > auditor (KPMG, E&Y, D&T, or PWC) should be done and presented as a
> public
> > > document to NTIA and NIST to document ICANN's operations under the NTIA
> > > contract. Further I bet Senator Burns office would like a copy too! My
> gut
> > > level feeling is that this audit might send a number of people running
> for
> > > cover.
> > >
> > > So that's my point. What I want is a real end-to-end SAS70 compliant
> audit
> > > for ICANN and it needs to happen now.
> >
> >   I see your point here now clearly, and agree with it as well.  Again
> though,
> > none the less this can be done at a not to distant later date as well
> > depending on what Karls data shows, and can be found if he
> > wishes to do so...
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > todd glassey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Actually folks - this is closer than you think to the reality but
> what's
> > > > > funny is that ICANN is not really NPO. Its just not supposed to show
> a
> > > > > profit on paper, but I assure you the business of serving names and
> the
> > > > > people writing the rules for it really needs an end-to-end financial
> > > audit.
> > > > > My feeling is that ICANN's paperwork processes may make Enron's look
> > > like a
> > > > > joke.
> > > > >
> > > > > But hey - only an Audit would tell, Eh? So why don't we demand one?
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>
> > > > > To: <yjpark@myepark.com>; <vivek@vivekdurai.com>; "Vittorio Bertola"
> > > > > <vb@vitaminic.net>; "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>;
> > > "Richard
> > > > > Henderson" <richardhenderson@ntlworld.com>; "Kristy McKee"
> > > <k@widgital.com>;
> > > > > <karl@cavebear.com>; "Joop Teernstra" <terastra@terabytz.co.nz>;
> "Joe
> > > > > Baptista" <baptista@dot-god.com>; "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>;
> > > > > <jefsey@jefsey.com>; <james.love@cptech.org>;
> <j.oppenheimer@att.net>;
> > > > > <icheckemail@indiatimes.com>; <ellen@rony.com>;
> <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 5:42 AM
> > > > > Subject: "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest." ??
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga-full/Arc10/msg04998.html
> > > > > > From: Karl Auerbach <karl@cavebear.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "ICANN's purpose is to serve the public interest."
> > > > > > ========
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you ever heard the comment, "Do not judge a book...by it's
> cover"
> > > ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you really think the people behind ICANN have any interest in
> > > "serving
> > > > > the public" ?
> > > > > > ...have you noticed how they are always at the head of any line to
> the
> > > > > buffet ?
> > > > > > ...and there is no food left for the public...once they have eaten
> > > their
> > > > > fill...
> > > > > > ...follow the money...it comes from the public and does not
> return...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Have you considered an approach where you face the facts that
> ICANN
> > > has
> > > > > > nothing to do with "serving the public" ?...just imagine they are
> a
> > > > > private club...that
> > > > > > serves the people who choose to join...who knows ?....maybe ICANN
> will
> > > > > convert
> > > > > > to for-profit and go for an IPO...would the "public" be served by
> > > being
> > > > > allowed to
> > > > > > own part of the company ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim Fleming
> > > > > > 2002:[IPv4]:000X:03DB:...IPv8 is closer than you think...
> > > > > > http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space
> > > > > > http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > --
> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > > > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > > > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > > > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> > > > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup - (Over 127k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> > Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827 or 972-244-3801
> > Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
> >
> >
>

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