Re: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them of WHOIS data that is wrong...

["todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Lawrence" <jon@jonlawrence.com>
To: <ga@dnso.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform
them of WHOIS data that is wrong...


> <snip>
> the registrars really need to be liable for their actions, i.e. the
enablement
> of the SPAM itself.
> </snip>
>
> ...you don't need a domain name to send spam.

No but anyone that sends SPAM without one is easily blocked. Besides I
though away any email for my servers that I cannot resolve the senders
address on and that is an overhead that I am committed to.

Todd


>
> jon
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> >To: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> >Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> >Subject: [ga] Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform
> them
> >of WHOIS data that is wrong...
> >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:47:41 -0700
> >
> >
> >Vint the real issue is that for a large number of the APNIC's email and
> >other contact info items are/is bogus. The real issue is that the NIC's
> must
> >start to be accountable for the integrity of the information they are
using
> >to justify or authorize their acting as publication agents and in
instances
> >where the domains are just setup for spamming, the registrars really need
> >to
> >be liable for their actions, i.e. the enablement of the SPAM itself.
> >
> >In many cases its identical to the Firearms Reseller Issues and we all
> know
> >where those lawsuits have gone and what their outcome is. What I propose
> >is
> >two fold. The first is that the registrars need to be accountable for
> >providing services that are used to hurt other people or to impede their
> >IP
> >rights. The second is that the Layer Three ISP's have to be accountable
> for
> >what flows through their EMAIL GW's and oddly enough ICANN is still the
> best
> >place to enforce that. Because without DNS services they are dead in the
> >water.
> >
> >Just my two cents.
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>
> >To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@worldnet.att.net>
> >Cc: <ga@dnso.org>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 3:33 PM
> >Subject: Re: Vint why do none of the NIC's have any way to inform them
> of
> >WHOIS data that is wrong...
> >
> >
> >> this is a fairly current topic and I agree it does need to be
> >> addressed. ICANN recently threatend Verisign with excommunication
> >> over this issue and Verisign did respond but the problem is plainly
> >> widespread. Of course, free email boxes exacerbate problems of this
> >> kind, too, I guess. Thanks for this input; it will motivate more
> >> effort on policy and implementation.
> >>
> >> vint
> >>
> >> At 07:23 AM 9/17/2002 -0700, todd glassey wrote:
> >> >Vint - the operating process of the NIC's seem to have no way for
> >> >individuals to report domains that are either misregistered or have
> >> >fraudulent contact information or broken links for whatever reason.
> >> >
> >> >This is a real problem since these are the issues that spammers and
> other
> >> >peddlers of illicit materials create for themselves to hide behind.
> For
> >> >instance - I get this SPAM this morning showing half a dozen school
> girls
> >> >involved in various sexual acts and after doing a header analysis, we
> >find
> >> >it comes from a domain called 99talk.com, registered through the Boy
> >Scouts
> >> >of Australia, only the contact email addresses for the domain all
> >bounce...
> >> >
> >> >And in instances like this one,  if the NIC bothered to check its
contact
> >> >data on a regular basis of course this would not be true. So I have
> to
> >ask -
> >> >Why then do the InterNIC's not have any way of taking reports or doing
> >> >anything about these fraudulent or inaccurate listings in the Whois
> or
> >other
> >> >"client databases" maintained buy the NIC's?
> >> >
> >> >This is negligence in the Registrar and ICANN process, not an excuse
> for
> >> >plausible deniability and it needs to be addressed.
> >> >
> >> >Todd
> >>
> >> Vint Cerf
> >> SVP Architecture & Technology
> >> WorldCom
> >> 22001 Loudoun County Parkway, F2-4115
> >> Ashburn, VA 20147
> >> 703 886 1690 (v806 1690)
> >> 703 886 0047 fax
> >>
> >
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