Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution

["James Seng" <jseng@pobox.org.sg>]

IDNA has went thru the working group last call, and also IETF wide last
call. The co-chairs has already submit it to the IESG for consideration for
publication as RFC.
So as far as "rough consensus" is concern, we are already done with that.

The latest revision includes some changes requested by the IESG. I suspect
there will be one (or two) more revision before it is finalized.

-James Seng

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>
To: <richard.hill@itu.int>
Cc: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@dnso.org>; "Don Evans"
<DEvans@doc.gov>; "Nancy J. Victory" <nvictory@ntia.doc.gov>; "cathy
Handley" <chandley@ntia.doc.gov>; "Clyde Ensslin" <censslin@ntia.doc.gov>;
"francis gurry" <francis.gurry@wipo.int>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution


> Richard,
>
>   Ok thank you for this frank and more honest reply, Richard.
> You could have said most of this in you first response however.
>
>   The only reference that Danny Younger pointed out to me,
> which I had read some time ago now and had forgotten about
> from the IETF is a "Memo".  See:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-idn-idna-13.txt
> Interesting that it is dated october 4th of this year though...
> Hence, hardly a consensus document!
>
> richard.hill@itu.int wrote:
>
> > If you do a search on the IETF site, you will find lots of references to
> > IDN.  It is my understanding that the resolution mentioned in the press
> > release refers to the IETF work on IDN.  I agree that the press release
does
> > not say that.  I am not evading your answers, I simply do not have the
> > information required to answer them.
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Richard Hill
> > Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
> > International Telecommunication Union
> > Place des Nations
> > CH-1211 Geneva 20
> > Switzerland
> > tel: +41 22 730 5887
> > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > Email: richard.hill@itu.int
> > Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2@itu.int
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 23:05
> > > To: richard.hill@itu.int
> > > Cc: alexander@svensson.de; ga@dnso.org;
> > > atlarge-discuss@lists.fitug.de;
> > > francis gurry; Don Evans; Nancy J. Victory; cathy Handley; Clyde
> > > Ensslin; atlarge discuss list
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard and all,
> > >
> > > richard.hill@itu.int wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please note that the resolution refers to
> > > "Internationalized Domain Names
> > > > (IDN)", not to "international" domain names.
> > >
> > >   Ah I see.  Ok.  Well none the less this did not answer my questions
> > > regarding either "Internationalized Domain Names (IDN)" or
> > > "International Domain Names" to you Richard.  Hence it would
> > > seem that you are evading answering the questions I put to you.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You'll have to address your questions to the people who defined
> > > > "Internationalized Domain Names (IDN)".  I guess that is
> > > IETF, but I may be
> > > > wrong.
> > >
> > >   The IETF as far as I am aware, does not have any such distinction
> > > regarding Domain Names in any policy statement or documentation.
> > > As this press release was an ITU press release, and therefore a ITU
> > > initiative, it would seem appropriate and reasonable that the ITU
> > > or yourself could or should address the questions I ask.   There is
> > > no indication or language in the press release indicating that
> > > the IETF made or has made such a designation as stated
> > > in the ITU press release.
> > > See the ITU press release again at:
> > > http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html
> > >
> > >   My questions rephrased to you Richard are as follows:
> > >
> > > Richard, can you explain or define the difference between
> > > and Internationalized Domain Name "IDN" and a "General
> > > Domain Name"? Would for instance fuubar.co.uk be an
> > > Internationalized Domain Name or not?  Or would foobar.net
> > > or foobar.org be Internationalized domain names or not?  Would
> > > for instance foobar.eu be an internationalized Domain Name?
> > > And, if only Domains in .INT are international Domain Names, are all
> > > other domains in other name spaces or TLD's, not internationalized?
> > > Please elaborate in your answer...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > Richard Hill
> > > > Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
> > > > International Telecommunication Union
> > > > Place des Nations
> > > > CH-1211 Geneva 20
> > > > Switzerland
> > > > tel: +41 22 730 5887
> > > > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > > > Email: richard.hill@itu.int
> > > > Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2@itu.int
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 12:31
> > > > > To: richard.hill@itu.int
> > > > > Cc: alexander@svensson.de; ga@dnso.org; Don Evans; cathy
> > > > > Handley; Nancy
> > > > > J. Victory; Clyde Ensslin; atlarge discuss list; francis gurry
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard and all assembly members, stakeholders or other
> > > > > interested parties,
> > > > >
> > > > >   Thank you Richard for this interesting update to ITU's IDN
> > > > > resolution.
> > > > >
> > > > >   This update brings up some  interesting questions that were
> > > > > not addressed
> > > > > in this ITU IDN resolution.
> > > > >
> > > > >   Richard, can you explain or define the difference between
> > > > > and International
> > > > > Domain Name and a "General Domain Name"?
> > > > >  Would for instance fuubar.co.uk be and international Domain Name
> > > > > or not?  Or would foobar.net or foobar.org be an
> > > > > international domain names
> > > > > or not?  Would for instance foobar.eu be an international
> > > Domain Name?
> > > > > And, if only Domains in .INT are international Domain
> > > Names, are all
> > > > > other domains in other name spaces or TLD's, not international?
> > > > > Please elaborate in your answer...
> > > > >
> > > > > richard.hill@itu.int wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Please note that the title of the ITU Press highlight has
> > > > > been corrected.
> > > > > > It now reads:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Internet names: a matter for both government and
> > > private sector"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The second sentence has also been corrected, it reads:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "This resolution aims at helping promote the role of Member
> > > > > States in the
> > > > > > internationalization of domain names and addresses of their
> > > > > respective
> > > > > > languages"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also please note that this Press highlight refers to a
> > > > > resolution concerning
> > > > > > Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) specifically and not
> > > > > domain names in
> > > > > > general.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The corrected press highlight is at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >   http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Richard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > Richard Hill
> > > > > > Counsellor, ITU-T SG2
> > > > > > International Telecommunication Union
> > > > > > Place des Nations
> > > > > > CH-1211 Geneva 20
> > > > > > Switzerland
> > > > > > tel: +41 22 730 5887
> > > > > > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > > > > > Email: richard.hill@itu.int
> > > > > > Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2@itu.int
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Alexander Svensson [mailto:alexander@svensson.de]
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 21:35
> > > > > > > To: DNSO General Assembly
> > > > > > > Subject: [ga] FYI: ITU press release on IDN resolution
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >ITU stakes claim on Internet names
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >The Working Group of the Plenary approved a resolution on
> > > > > > > the management
> > > > > > > >of internationalized multilingual domain names. This
> > > > > > > resolution aims at
> > > > > > > >promoting the role of Member States in the
> > > > > > > internationalization of domain
> > > > > > > >names and addresses of their respective languages. This will
> > > > > > > be increasingly
> > > > > > > >important in the coming years as a majority of Internet
> > > > > > > users is expected
> > > > > > > >to prefer to conduct online activities in their own
> > > > > > > language. It is also
> > > > > > > >important because the current Domain Names System (DNS)
> > > > > > > mapping does not
> > > > > > > >reflect the growing language needs of all. The resolution
> > > > > > > stresses that
> > > > > > > >the registration and allocation of Internet domain names and
> > > > > > > addresses
> > > > > > > >should reflect the geographical and functional nature of the
> > > > > > > Internet with
> > > > > > > >an equitable balance of interests of all stakeholders. It
> > > > > > > also emphasizes
> > > > > > > >that the non-discriminatory access to Internet domain names
> > > > > > > and addresses,
> > > > > > > >and more generally to the Internet, should be available to
> > > > > > > all citizens
> > > > > > > >and that the management of Internet Domain Names and
> > > > > addresses is of
> > > > > > > >concern to both governments and the private sector. It also
> > > > > > > reiterates
> > > > > > > >the need to fully maintain country code numbering plans and
> > > > > > > addresses as
> > > > > > > >in ITU-T recommendation E.164 which defines the
> > > > > international public
> > > > > > > >telecommunication numbering plan. Under this resolution,
> > > > > ITU will be
> > > > > > > >providing assistance to its Member States to promote the use
> > > > > > > of their
> > > > > > > >languages for domain names and addresses and will
> > > > > cooperate with the
> > > > > > > >World Intellectual Property Organization whose role includes
> > > > > > > protection
> > > > > > > >against misuse of intellectual property rights in the use of
> > > > > > > countries'
> > > > > > > >languages for domain names and addresses.
> > > > > > > (http://www.itu.int/newsroom/pp02/Highlights/1010.html)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > /// Alexander
> > > > > > >
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>
> Regards,
>
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