RE: [ga] YesNIC hoarding joesworld.com

["Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>]

This is covered under 1.7 of the RAA...

1.7 "Registered Name" refers to a domain name within the domain of a TLD
that is the subject of an appendix to this Agreement, whether consisting
of two or more (e.g., john.smith.name) levels, about which a TLD
Registry Operator (or an affiliate engaged in providing Registry
Services) maintains data in a Registry Database, arranges for such
maintenance, or derives revenue from such maintenance. A name in a
Registry Database may be a Registered Name even though it does not
appear in a zone file (e.g., a registered but inactive name).

In this case, the whois appears to be inaccurate at the registrar ("No
match for "joesworld.com") - unless we assume that the registry whois is
wonky...

   Domain Name: JOESWORLD.COM
   Registrar: YESNIC CO. LTD.
   Whois Server: whois.yesnic.com
   Referral URL: http://www.yesnic.com
   Name Server: No nameserver
   Updated Date: 16-apr-2002

Given the email below, I'd be inclined to believe that the problem
exists at the registrar level and they need to update their whois data
to make sure that it is accurate.



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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf 
> Of Abraham Ingersoll
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:37 PM
> To: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga] YesNIC hoarding joesworld.com 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't know the proper venue for this issue. If someone 
> knows of a better 
> venue, please privately reply with a pointer.
> 
> In short, YesNIC is the registrar for 'joesworld.com' yet their whois 
> servers denies the existance for the registration, returning 
> "No match" 
> to 'joesworld.com' searches. 
> 
> (background: I've been trying for some time now - maybe a 
> year or more - 
> to snag joesworld.com for a friend who runs a nonprofit that 
> currently 
> lives @ joesworld.org)
> 
> When I recently asked YesNic about the whois discrepency, 
> they threw me a 
> sales pitch!?! See email below.
> 
> I've responded to YesNic with a pointer to ICANN's accreditation 
> agreement, however, the accreditation agreement isn't clear 
> on one key 
> point. The agreement says a registrar must provide whois data for any 
> active domain, but nowhere in the agreement does it define "active." 
> joesworld.com doesn't exist in the root zone files, but it's 
> registered. 
> Does this mean the domain is "inactive" and that valid whois 
> responses 
> don't need to be returned?? I think not, but alas, IANAL nor a ICANN 
> insider.
> 
> A helpful person has suggested I buy a 'SnapBack' on the domain from 
> snapdomains. Surely this can't be my best option? Is ICANN's 
> domain-name 
> system so messed up that "accredited" registrars are simply 
> hoarding good 
> names, hiding whois details and then offering to be a "broker" to 
> unsuspecting customers??
> 
> Ug.
> 
> Abe
> 
> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:17:54 +0900
> From: "Kang,In-Soon" <partner@yesnic.com>
> To: Abraham Ingersoll <abe@dajoba.com>
> Subject: Re: joesworld.com
> 
> Dear Abraham
> 
> Thank you for contacting YesNIC.
> I have been manage to contact the owner of 'joesworld.com' 
> domain name but I am afraid that I am not allowed to release 
> the contact information. However, the owner is my client and 
> has appointed me as his agent to proceed this deal for the 
> domain name with you. Hence, if you wish to purchase this 
> domain name, please let me know how much you are willing to 
> invest. Once you give me your proposed price, I will consult 
> about it with my client and try to actively negotiate with 
> you. Thank you.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Jason Lee
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Abraham Ingersoll" <abe@dajoba.com>
> To: <partner@yesnic.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:35 AM
> Subject: joesworld.com
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I wish to buy 'joesworld.com', yet it seems that the domain is 
> > "taken",
> > even though your whois system FAILS to provide contact 
> information for the 
> > current owner.
> > 
> > What is wrong with your systems? Could you please release 
> > joesworld.com so
> > that I may buy it?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Abraham Ingersoll <abe@dajoba.com>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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