Re: [ga] whois: issues with uniformity

[Don Brown <donbrown_l@inetconcepts.net>]

So, if the ICANN shoe doesn't fit someone, in the final analysis, then
don't wear it.  What is ICANN going to do about it - declare war on a
ccTLD?

How is it that ICANN can dictate globally, anyway.  I don't think they
can and even if they could, where is the authority - the US Dept of
Commerce?  I don't think so.

ICANN is swinging an imaginary sword at a windmill and will only win if
the windmill lets them.

There should be, I think, a universal WhoIs template including all
the information.  Then, let each Registrar determine which fields they
will populate with data.

This really isn't as difficult as we are making it.  Let each ccTLD,
et al, decide what fits best for them in their venue or within their
comfort level.

If there is no agreement on a universal template, then, really, who
cares.  Let them return whatever information they want.  As a
practical matter, can that really be dictated, anyway?

Thanks,




Thursday, December 26, 2002, 7:24:15 PM, Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
JW> Stephane and all former GA members,

JW>   Indeed ICANN is not in charge of determining global Whois policy
JW> of which protocol will or should be used, now or in the future.  However
JW> ICANN is trying with the help of the IETF, the BC and the IPC to
JW> have a heavy influence on Whois.  This is precisely why when such
JW> considered issues must not be made by a few and affect the many
JW> in ways that may be both beneficial or detrimental...  Privacy
JW> and security are two of those concerns with Whois and Whois
JW> policy as well as policy and use..

JW>   None the less as CRISP and a number or other private enterprise
JW> IT organizations, both for profit and not for profit are working on a
JW> number of new or updated Whois protocols that have been expounded
JW> here on the former DNSO GA and hopefully will again be presented
JW> to and within the now questionable "GNSO"..

JW>   It is clear and obvious that global policy, implementation, and common
JW> global use of Whois as well as a number of other protocols for the
JW> Internet has great advantages as well as very concerning and potential
JW> disadvantages as to personal or individual damage that is unwarranted.
JW> Whois is specifically and acutely susceptible to such such individual
JW> personal damage, and private information can, has and would be again
JW> abused or misused.  This therefore must be IOHO, in the hands of the
JW> registrant alone...

JW> Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2002 at 12:48:04PM +0100,
>>  Vittorio Bertola <vb@bertola.eu.org> wrote
>>  a message of 78 lines which said:
>>
>> > personal data to the whole world, nor can it be reasonably said that
>> > it is necessary for the DNS to work.
>>
>> It is not necessary for the DNS itself but it is necessary for many
>> operational reasons.
>> <URL:http://www.centr.org/docs/statements/CENTR-Position-on-Whois.html>
>> gives some good reasons, although I disagree with the conclusion in
>> the last paragraph.
>>
>> > >future information service of .fr? The ICANN has no rights to discuss
>> > >the whois issues in domains outside of the gTLD it manages.
>> >
>> > Then, why should the IETF do it?
>>
>> At least one very good reason: although not perfect, IETF is *much*
>> more democratic than ICANN. In the IETF, at-large participation (with
>> all its limits and its problems) is a reality for many years.
>>
>> > This is why requirements for new global protocols (protocols, not
>> > actual implementations) have to be developed at a global policy level.
>>
>> I agree but there is clearly *no* legitimate body to do so. Certainly
>> not the ICANN and certainly not the ITU.
>>
>> > I don't think this would be a good result. But if they are developed
>> > at the global *technical* level, they will lack proper policy
>> > considerations,
>>
>> This is why I directed people from the former GA toward the CRISP
>> woking group so they can provide useful input.
>>
>> > So the global policy level in this field (ICANN)
>>
>> No, I say it again, ICANN is not in charge of defining global "whois"
>> policies.
>>
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JW> Regards,
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