Re: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification

[Joe Baptista <baptista@dot-god.com>]

On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Esther Dyson wrote:

> Andy -
>
> three suggestions:
>
> One: Ask yourself: If I am really as power-hungry/money-grubbing as they
> say, why am I wasting my time on ICANN?  Because I believe in what it
> *should* be, not because I can benefit from it.

the koreans call your actions "saving face".  unfortunately you can't be
trusted.  you betrayed the internet community.  but thats ok you were only
doing your job.  what i find repulsive is that you betrayed your own and
now are desparately distancing yourself so as to avoid the nuclear
fallout.

your a bit slow ester but i do think you now see the big picture.  i know
it's still murky for you and difficult to see, maybe scary - but i do
think you are doing your best to give penance.  you know icann has
destroyed your reputation and now your repenting.  how quaint.

there's just that little problem of being a traitor to your own.  icann
insiders elevated you to a position you could not possible comprehend.  as
queen of the internet - and chairman to icann you profited expertly from
you elevation to the status of internet guru.  so you owe these people
much more then stabing them in the back.

i suggest if you want to reach sainthood that you confess.  tell all the
inside information to us.  tell everything.  and then go away.  or just go
away.  the worst position to be in is to betray your own.

> Meanwhile,  I do have
> another life.  You can check on my site: My own conference is at the same
> time as ICANN's March meeting; I couldn't be chairman of the ALAC even if I
> wanted to.  Furthermore, take a look at the conference speakers and agenda
> and you'll see I have a rich intellectual and commercial life apart from
> ICANN.  ICANN is not my power base.

i'm sure in your heart of hearts that you regret having been fooled into
it.  ester i'm will to admit that your induction into icann was due to the
vint cerf mind melt.  ester they fooled you.  then they dumped you.  i
still remember that meeting when vint cerf kept interrupting you the chair
to correct you on various technical details.  the sharks made a mistake
when they crowned you internet queen.  they assumed you could swim.  they
fell for you guru status.

i just can't believe your betrayal.  you were invited to have a burger
with the Bilderbergers.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/Bilderbergers.html

they supported the world domnimation of root based on your crap.  your
were after all presented as the internet guru.

and now look what has happened!  egg on your face.

and your not alone ester.  other rats are abondoning ship.  saint vixie f
f.root has been making some noise which leads me to suspect he's about to
abond ship too.

the saint has been rushing to setup new root infrastracture in the pacific
rim.  does saint saint vixie of f.root know something we don't?

an expansion of the root servers into asia pacific announced nov 17 2002

http://www.isc.org/ISC/news/pr-11172002.html

then jun murai joins the isc board on nov 18 2002

http://www.isc.org/ISC/news/pr-11182002.html

and now another root server in spain .... oley

http://www.isc.org/ISC/news/pr-01072003.html

now lets not forget that f.root server provided the data for caida

http://www.caida.org/outreach/presentations/2002/nanog0210/

as mentioned in my recent article

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29185.html

now something is going on.  more egg in the face.  so rest assured i
suspect your not alone.  i just can't accept a traitor - at least paul
isn't being vocal about his departure.

now i don't think your a money grubber.  you've had money all your life
as a dyson your life has been privilaged.  and power hungry.  i once
considered this a possibility - but no more.  no ester - your just like
every other little person.  you just want to be loved and accepted as a
star - and got tarnished.  you trusted these twits and now you betray
them.  i can't understand that.

and the sad thing is you had an opportunity to be loved by the only power
in charge on the internet - the users.  and they don't trust you.

> Two:  Don't believe everything you read. What I actually said was quite
> different, and not that new.  Please do read Oxford's precis of the
> conference when it is posted.  Or you can read what I wrote for the Wall

well make sure you post the url if your still around.

> Street Journal last June.  It's fairly short and simplified, but it's the
> best statement of my position I can make, and it's on the record.
> You can agree with it or not, believe it or not, but I got it published in
> the most influential medium I have access
> to.  http://www.edventure.com/conversation/article.cfm?Counter=9153289

ester enough with the propaganda - confess.  tell all.

regards
joe baptista

p.s. ester you can consider this my formal socratica appologia regarding
my recent tits comment.  i enjoy abusing your insecurities but in your
downfall I can afford to be kind.

> Whose Domain Is It Anyway?
> by Esther Dyson
> originally published in The Wall Street Journal - June 17, 2002
> Last week, the Senate held hearings on the putative governing authority of
> the whorls of cyberspace, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers. On Monday, Sen. Conrad Burns, (R., Mont.) announced plans for a
> bill to give the U.S. government greater sway in ICANN's operations. At
> stake is just who should oversee the non-government policy-setter of the
> domain name business -- the U.S. government, many governments or the
> Internet community itself.
>
> At the moment, this international body fills an important vacuum. It is, in
> a way, the center of the Internet, dictating policies and picking managers
> for who gets to call themselves wsj.com or fbi.gov. But ICANN doesn't
> directly provide domain names or other Internet services. It simply sets
> the standards by which independent parties provide these services.
>
> ICANN is weak and powerless. But while it needs to be fixed, it should
> remain weak and powerless. Its role should be to set only the least
> controlling of policies, fostering the orderly allocation of domain names
> to anyone, regardless of the meaning of the name or the content of the
> site. ICANN's proper role is not to oversee whatever a bureaucracy wants to
> control, but to resolve issues most people agree are problems.
>
> Since ICANN is not a government body, it has no statutory authority and
> imposes its policies through contracts with its members. But many of those
> domain managers have taken a pass on joining, creating a stalemate in which
> the Web's technical infrastructure can't evolve and is subject to continual
> attempts at government control around the world -- including our Congress's.
>
> ICANN was supposed to keep control of the Internet's infrastructure out of
> the hands of government, and in the hands of users worldwide. The
> distinction matters because governments potentially restrict freedom of
> speech; ICANN can control not so much freedom of speech as freedom of
> presence on the Internet.
>
> The trouble is that despite some early successes, ICANN suffers from a
> flawed decision-making structure and lacks adequate staffing and funding.
>
> If ICANN is not fixed, control over its functions will revert to the
> Department of Commerce, which gave the agency its original contract in
> 1998. But when Commerce privatized naming policy, it took it out of the
> domestic realm. There is no way that Commerce could now reassert U.S.
> authority without causing an international battle and perhaps ceding ICANN
> to an organization like the U.N.
>
> How can ICANN fix itself when its board meets next week in Bucharest? The
> staff needs to develop contracts that will lure non-U.S. managers to the
> table by inviting their input on policy. It also needs a management and
> board structure that would make it accountable not just to corporations and
> engineers but to individual users. The departing president and senior staff
> need to be replaced with fresh blood that will welcome constructive criticism.
>
> ICANN's creation reflected a remarkable leap of faith -- relinquishing de
> facto U.S. power to a global community, through an organization that has to
> win adherence from a diverse range of participants without the power to
> raise taxes or enforce laws. We should give it time -- but also hold to the
> original vision. It needs to ratify global consensus onlywhere it should
> exist, and leave the rest of the issues -- serving the poor, policing
> fraud, setting prices -- up to local societies, governments or markets.
>
> If ICANN can learn to live with diversity, allow new competitors to enter
> the fray, and remain open even to critics, it will prove the virtues of
> voluntary cooperation and open systems that gave us the Net itself.
> Copyright (c) 2002, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
>
>
>
> Three:  Meanwhile, please *do* get active in the ALAC and the At-large
> membership and try to change things to your satisfaction.  Your duty does
> not end with criticism.
>
> Esther Dyson
>
>
> At 07:46 PM 2/7/2003, Andy Gardner wrote:
> >At 7:00 AM -0500 2/7/03, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > >Not only that; it is already determined that I will *not* chair it.... but
> > >who will is still not clear.
> >
> >Good job!
> >
> >You appear to be absolving yourself of responsibility of anything that
> >happened while you chaired ICANN (what the hell were you there for then?)
> >so I'd prefer you stayed away from positions of responsibility of ANY
> >entity that attempts to speak for the little guy - whom you ensured was
> >COMPLETELY SCREWED OVER.
> >
> >What really amazes me is to see people who got the royal shafting from you,
> >now working along side you as if nothing ever happened. Surely they don't
> >think you're lining them up for anything but another buggering?
> >
> >IMHO, etc.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Andrew P. Gardner
> >barcelona.com stolen, stmoritz.com stays. What's uniform about the UDRP?
> >We could ask ICANN to send WIPO a clue, but do they have any to spare?
> >Get active: http://www.tldlobby.com
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