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RE: [ga] BULK whois
Jeff,
Thanks for your comments. But let me turn the table on you at this point.
Can you answer the following questions?
1) Who exactly are your members? If you can please spell those specific
members out on this list, I would be most grateful. In the 8 years I have
been involved in this industry (which I admit is not as long as others, but
still not insignificant), I have NEVER heard of anyone who admitted to be
affiliated with you or your organization.
2) Please tell me how I personally can set an opt-out policy for .BIZ
NeuLevel is contractually governed by the ICANN Registry Agreement with
ICANN? If I were to somehow dictate this new policy, please tell me how I
would avoid a breach of contract action from ICANN? Also, tell me how I
would not be in breach of my contracts with the Registrars?
3) What financial burden are you referring to?
Thanks for your time and I await your response.
P.S. Feel free to call me if you have any questions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 5:54 PM
To: steinle@smartvia.de
Cc: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org; jeff.neuman@neulevel.biz
Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
Steinle and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
I know our members that are Nuelevel customers have frequently
complained about this problem with Nuelevel and other customer
service related communications as well.
Opt-Out should be allowed and acted upon by any honest
Registry/registrar. Why Mr. Nueman has not directed his
people from a policy standpoint in this direction remains
a mystery and a travesty...
Perhaps it is time for another legal challenge to Nuelevel
in this area, in order to get their attention, as well as perhaps
relieve Mr. Nueman of some of his financial burden.
steinle@smartvia.de wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> However I know that there is a "ordinary whois access" and a bulk
> whois access.
> All people involved always wrote about bulk whois.
>
> Neulevel Support:
> "ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information for each domain
> name we register.
> You may, however, have your domain name removed from the list of bulk
> registration records that we maintain.
> Please contact your Registrar directly if you would like your domain
> name to be removed from that list."
>
> I forwarded this message to my Registrar (to have my domains removed
> from the list of bulk registration record).
>
> My registrar contacted Neulevel via Phone and wrote following
> sentences: "We contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us,
> that this change cannot be done. The previous mail was an failure of
> the NEWLEVEL Supporter."
>
> According to NeuLevel (via my Registrar) there is no way to opt-out!
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. Palage
> To: steinle@smartvia.de ; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> You are mixing apples with oranges.
>
> Bulk Access DOES NOT EQUAL public access to individual Whois queries
> via port 43 or a web based interface.
>
> Both the registrar and registry (in the case of thick registry
> operators) are required by ICANN contract to provide whois information
> in response to an individual whois query either via port 43 or a web
> based tool. There is no opt provision for access to this data.
>
> However, the registrar in his ICANN accreditation agreement is
> required to provide "bulk access" to their Whois data (minus those
> registrants that opt out) to any party that request it. In return the
> registrar is able to charge up to $10,000 annually.
>
> The only way I know of to remove your information from both public
> access Whois and Bulk Whois is through Go Daddy's Domain Proxy
> service.
>
> I hope this helps navigates these complex issues,
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steinle@smartvia.de [mailto:steinle@smartvia.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz
> Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> This is what I get from my Registrar and from NeuLevel:
>
>
> Dear Mr. Steinle,
>
> Unfortunatelly we were not able to assert your interests regarding
> in this matter.
> We contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us, that this change
> cannot be done.
>
> The previous mail was an failure of the NEWLEVEL Supporter.
>
> We apologize for the trouble this may caused.
>
> We really did our best.
>
> Thank you for understanding in this matter.
>
> Should you have any further questions or require any assistance at
> all,
> please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
> With kindest regards,
>
> Your Team @ ...
>
>
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Support" <support@neulevel.biz>
> > > > > > > To: <steinle@smartvia.de>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:47 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: {Registry#213-999} remove bulk access
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Simon-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information
> for each
> > domain
> > > > > name
> > > > > > > we register. You may, however, have your domain name
> removed
> from
> > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > of bulk registration records that we maintain. Please
> contact
> your
> > > > > > Registrar
> > > > > > > directly if you would like your domain name to be
> removed from
> > that
> > > > > list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > > Neulevel Support
> > > > > > > ___________________________________________
> > > > > > > NeuLevel - The home of .biz
> > > > > > > Email: support@neulevel.biz
> > > > > > > Web Site: http://www.neulevel.biz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. Palage
> To: steinle@smartvia.de ; ga@dnso.org
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> Speaking only on the topic of .info and .biz, it is my
> understanding of the contracts that the registries do not have a bulk
> access per se because it is the registrars that own the data.
> Therefore, if one was to purchase Network Solution's bulk whois data
> they would be entitled to all ICANN sanctioned domain names that it
> sponsors (.com, .org, .net .info, .biz ,etc), provided that the
> registrant did not opt out as provided for in the ICANN Registrar
> Accreditation Agreement.
>
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> steinle@smartvia.de
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> Is there a BULK whois file for .info, .biz and .us like there
> is one for cno domains?
> And how could one opt-out of this?
>
> Thanks!
> Simon
>
>
Regards,
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