RE: [ga] 6000+ unique At Large Members?

[Joanna Lane <jo-uk@rcn.com>]

Then contrary to the political spin, "Joe Public" (the user) will actually
be outnumbered by something along the lines of 5:1 by internet professionals
such as yourself.

However, there's no ambiguity in Denise Michel's statement "ICANN's
technical staff is working on combining past At-Large announce lists (with
6000 + names)". That's a claim to 6000+ non existent Joe Publics, so they
must be rallied from sleepers and/ or internet professionals, either way I
do not really care, the result is likely the same.  Overwhelming domination
of the At Large by internet professionals already represented within the
process, reducing ICANN to the level of a Trade Body.

Regards,
Joanna



 From: J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin [mailto:jefsey@club-internet.fr]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 4:41 PM
> Dear Joanna,
> I am afraid you are not yet accustomed to the ICANN ways .... ICANN has
> called upon existing groups to join. If you add the GA, the different
> constituencies, the different press people wanting to be informed
> that way,
> etc. you will probably get a total of 2000 addresses. If you add all the
> people which at a time or another have sent a mail to ICANN or to
> Denise in
> scanning the archives, you will probably het another 1500. Then
> add all the
> ISOC addresses they have obtained or which will redirect them. You will
> probably get 5750, what they are entitled to quote as 6000+ soon.
> jfc
>
>
> On 20:01 23/04/03, Joanna Lane said:
>
> >ICANN really must reassure the Department of Commerce that it is not
> >bolstering its credibility by falsely claiming interest that it
> does not in
> >fact have. The 6000+ must be a typo, or how has Denise arrived at this
> >number?
> >
> >Conservatively, that has to be about 5,000 more people than have actually
> >participated in the At Large debate since the end of the
> Elections in 2000.
> >Of those registered at that time, many are now represented in the GNSO
> >constituencies, on the ALAC itself and in ICANN Staff Offices.
> Even serious
> >lobbying in the public fora by the most passionate of activists failed to
> >raise more than, say, let's be generous, 1,000 at any one time
> on any list.
> >So who are these 6,000 unique individuals exactly? Where are they from?
> >
> >In total there have been 3 Announce lists for the At Large, each
> grown from
> >the previous, with a large number of duplications between the lists as
> >people rolled from one to the next, each shut down by ICANN in turn. ID
> >verification is an unresolved problem as people joined these
> lists multiple
> >times using different names and email addresses. What steps are
> ICANN Staff
> >taking to protect the integrity of the lists they are compiling?
> >
> >Even if the 6000+ number is correct, which is hard to believe, it is a
> >matter of record that the vast majority were attracted by the
> opportunity to
> >vote in an election. ICANN's abandonment of democratic
> foundations, viewed
> >as a betrayal, has now manifested itself as zero interest in this new
> >venture. In reality, prior interest is most definitely not
> ongoing from the
> >At Large Lists of the past, especially for an organization that is not
> >founded in democratic principles.
> >
> >Did Denise take the original At Large electorate data for 2000
> and subtract
> >the number of emails that bounced on the ALSC Announce List? If so, that
> >would confirm an impressive 90+% failure rate to foster At Large
> >participation over the last 3 years.
> >
> >For the record, the At Large Announce lists amount to these:-
> >
> >1) Year 2000: At Large Elections List, closed more than 2 years ago.
> >2) Year 2001: ALSC list, roughly 1,000+ rolled over from earlier list,
> >numbers declined to a handful of participants when closed more
> than 1 year
> >ago.
> >3) Year 2002: 100+ active participants from the 2001 list rolled over to
> >ICANNAtLarge.com, originally funded by ICANN Staff under the
> leadership of
> >Denise Michel. Membership grew to roughly 1000, of which only a handful
> >remain active today.
> >
> >By my calculations, that makes about 60 left, not 6,000.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Joanna
> >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org] On Behalf Of
> > > DannyYounger@cs.com
> > > Sent: 22 April 2003 17:13
> > > To: ga@dnso.org
> > > Subject: [ga] 6000+ names
> > >
> > >
> > > Just posted:
> > >
> > > ICANN's technical staff is working on combining past At-Large announce
> > > lists (with 6000 + names) for the ALAC's use and an announce list
> > > subscribe/un-subscribe mechanism for the ALAC's website.  I
> expect this
> > > to be operational very soon.
> > >
> > > Denise
> > >
> > > http://forum.icann.org/mail-archive/alac/msg00189.html
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