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RE: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification
I agree that the people who turn up have a big edge over internet
participants. I think the proper answer to that is to make everyone a
virtual participant to eliminate the insider advantage.
As for the 'committee membership is valuable' argument, I've posted my
response to this -- which I consider 'orthogonal' to the facts as
experienced in ICANN to date -- at
http://www.icannwatch.org/comments.pl?sid=1142&cid=11132
or you can read the whole thread at
http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/06/2324259&mode=nested
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Esther Dyson wrote:
> yes... but input in person carries a lot more weight than input through
> postings. I believe having a physical presence will make a
> difference. Now the challenge is funding to get the people there! I.e.
> the ICANNwatch phrase "meaningless input" is precisely orthogonal (and also
> contrary) to what I meant: "influential input," delivered in person.
>
> Esther
>
> At 09:38 PM 2/9/2003, Gene Marsh wrote:
> >Esther,
> >
> >I believe there is more angst about how ICANN reached its "consensus"
> >during policy creation. The input stream is largely seen as pouring water
> >into sand, while the board accepts policies for vote based on apparent fiat
> >or influenced views.
> >
> >Gene...
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Esther Dyson [SMTP:edyson@edventure.com]
> >Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:09 PM
> >To: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> >Cc: ga@dnso.org
> >Subject: Re: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification
> >
> >To quote the Register more fully:
> >
> >"We want public input into ICANN", she said. "We've got a mechanism where
> >it can have a seat on the task forces, liaisons to working groups, be part
> >of the policy making process - I see that in many ways as more important
> >than having a seat on the board."
> >
> >That part in fact is accurate (though I couldn't swear to it word for
> >word). I do in fact believe this. The ability to have input *when policy
> >is made* - rather than later when it is voted on by the board - is very
> >important, I believe. The board's votes are usually fairly general; all
> >the details and nuances happen in the implementation, either in the
> >policies that are put *to* the board, or the ones that are created
> >afterwards at its direction. (PS- This is not new, from me, anyway.) I
> >think it's fair to say that much of what distresses people about ICANN is
> >not the board votes, but how they are implemented.
> >
> >Having seats on the board is *also* a good thing, to be sure, and one that
> >matters, but a few seats on the board would probably make less difference
> >than some active involvement in committee work.
> >
> >Note: I did not say "in all ways." nor did I say "meaningless input" (as
> >in the ICANNwatch headline). The kind of input I mean is input that has an
> >impact, because it is delivered by credible individuals making good points
> >in the face-to-face conversations where policy details and compromises are
> >hammered out.
> >
> >What I *did* say was more focused on the importance of fixing ICANN rather
> >than abandoning it, and some of the difficulties of doing so. (plus some
> >history!)
> >
> >Esther
> >
> >
> >
> >At 05:06 PM 2/8/2003, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> > >Meanwhile, corrections to
> > >http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/06/2324259&mode=nested
> > >would be welcomed -- that quote didn't sound like you...
> > >
> > >On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Two: Don't believe everything you read. What I actually said was quite
> > > > different, and not that new. Please do read Oxford's precis of the
> > > > conference when it is posted. Or you can read what I wrote for the
> >Wall
> > >
> > >--
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> >
> >
> >
> >Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> >chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >edyson@edventure.com
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> >
> >The conversation continues..... at
> >http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >
> >PC Forum 2003 - March 23 to 25, Phoenix
> >Who? what? where? Data comes alive!
> >
> >
> >
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> Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> chairman, EDventure Holdings
> writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> edyson@edventure.com
> 1 (212) 924-8800 -- fax 1 (212) 924-0240
> 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> New York, NY 10011 USA
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>
> The conversation continues..... at
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>
> PC Forum 2003 - March 23 to 25, Phoenix
> Who? what? where? Data comes alive!
>
>
>
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