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Re: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification
Esther and all former DNSO GA members,
This argument was settled some time ago now. In person input
does not and should not carry any more "Influence" than Written
input. In fact without it being written, it can be denied, and as
history shows for several hundred years, often is. Therefore the
Written record of input is far and away much more important
than delivery in person. It is about what's what, not who is who
or who was where when in the presentation of such input.
Esther Dyson wrote:
> yes... but input in person carries a lot more weight than input through
> postings. I believe having a physical presence will make a
> difference. Now the challenge is funding to get the people there! I.e.
> the ICANNwatch phrase "meaningless input" is precisely orthogonal (and also
> contrary) to what I meant: "influential input," delivered in person.
>
> Esther
>
> At 09:38 PM 2/9/2003, Gene Marsh wrote:
> >Esther,
> >
> >I believe there is more angst about how ICANN reached its "consensus"
> >during policy creation. The input stream is largely seen as pouring water
> >into sand, while the board accepts policies for vote based on apparent fiat
> >or influenced views.
> >
> >Gene...
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Esther Dyson [SMTP:edyson@edventure.com]
> >Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 8:09 PM
> >To: Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law
> >Cc: ga@dnso.org
> >Subject: Re: [ga] Esther Dyson..... - a modest clarification
> >
> >To quote the Register more fully:
> >
> >"We want public input into ICANN", she said. "We've got a mechanism where
> >it can have a seat on the task forces, liaisons to working groups, be part
> >of the policy making process - I see that in many ways as more important
> >than having a seat on the board."
> >
> >That part in fact is accurate (though I couldn't swear to it word for
> >word). I do in fact believe this. The ability to have input *when policy
> >is made* - rather than later when it is voted on by the board - is very
> >important, I believe. The board's votes are usually fairly general; all
> >the details and nuances happen in the implementation, either in the
> >policies that are put *to* the board, or the ones that are created
> >afterwards at its direction. (PS- This is not new, from me, anyway.) I
> >think it's fair to say that much of what distresses people about ICANN is
> >not the board votes, but how they are implemented.
> >
> >Having seats on the board is *also* a good thing, to be sure, and one that
> >matters, but a few seats on the board would probably make less difference
> >than some active involvement in committee work.
> >
> >Note: I did not say "in all ways." nor did I say "meaningless input" (as
> >in the ICANNwatch headline). The kind of input I mean is input that has an
> >impact, because it is delivered by credible individuals making good points
> >in the face-to-face conversations where policy details and compromises are
> >hammered out.
> >
> >What I *did* say was more focused on the importance of fixing ICANN rather
> >than abandoning it, and some of the difficulties of doing so. (plus some
> >history!)
> >
> >Esther
> >
> >
> >
> >At 05:06 PM 2/8/2003, Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote:
> > >Meanwhile, corrections to
> > >http://www.icannwatch.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/06/2324259&mode=nested
> > >would be welcomed -- that quote didn't sound like you...
> > >
> > >On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Esther Dyson wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Two: Don't believe everything you read. What I actually said was quite
> > > > different, and not that new. Please do read Oxford's precis of the
> > > > conference when it is posted. Or you can read what I wrote for the
> >Wall
> > >
> > >--
> > > Please visit http://www.icannwatch.org
> > >A. Michael Froomkin | Professor of Law | froomkin@law.tm
> > >U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA
> > >+1 (305) 284-4285 | +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) | http://www.law.tm
> > > -->It's warm here.<--
> >
> >
> >
> >Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> >chairman, EDventure Holdings
> >writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> >edyson@edventure.com
> >1 (212) 924-8800 -- fax 1 (212) 924-0240
> >104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> >New York, NY 10011 USA
> >http://www.edventure.com
> >
> >The conversation continues..... at
> >http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
> >
> >PC Forum 2003 - March 23 to 25, Phoenix
> >Who? what? where? Data comes alive!
> >
> >
> >
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> Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
> chairman, EDventure Holdings
> writer, Release 3.0 (on Website below)
> edyson@edventure.com
> 1 (212) 924-8800 -- fax 1 (212) 924-0240
> 104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
> New York, NY 10011 USA
> http://www.edventure.com
>
> The conversation continues..... at
> http://www.edventure.com/conversation/
>
> PC Forum 2003 - March 23 to 25, Phoenix
> Who? what? where? Data comes alive!
>
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