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Re: [ga] BULK whois
Jeff and all former DNSO GA members or other interested parties,
Jeff, pardon me here but this "Explanation" sound's an awful lot
like a run around or hogwash. I'll tell you why. You said
below "NeuLevel does not maintain bulk WHOIS records,
nor do we disclose them." How can you NOT DISCLOSE
what you do not have in the first place? Yet you own
Customer support rep states that you DO maintain Bulk WHois
records, which the customer as to be removed from. So something
here does not jive very well Mr. Nueman... :(
I also called the number you Mr. Nueman provided, (571)
434-5400. It is a general business line number and not a
direct contact number for yourself. That is a bit disingenuous
at best, Mr. Nueman. It is also insulting...
Neuman, Jeff wrote:
> Let me try to answer this question from NeuLevel's standpoint
> because in
> reading our customer support's response, I can understand your
> confusion.
> Your Registrar has exclusive control over their own bulk WHOIS files.
> It is
> completely under their control as to whether they offer you the
> opportunity
> to opt-out of their bulk WHOIS. Despite the message that you are
> getting
> from your registrar, this has nothing to do with NeuLevel. NeuLevel
> does
> not maintain bulk WHOIS records, nor do we disclose them. Because we
> do not
> maintain bulk WHOIS, there is no way to "opt-out." Again, let me
> apologize
> if our support's response was not clear on this point.
>
> The Public WHOIS is a completely different story. According to
> contracts
> with the ICANN (for .biz), you may not opt out of having your
> information
> displayed in the Registry WHOIS (which is found at www.whois.biz
> <http://www.whois.biz> ). This information is required to be
> displayed by
> your contract with the Registrar, the Registrar's contract with us and
> of
> course, our agreement with ICANN.
>
> I hope this clears things up. If not, please feel free to call me at
> (571)
> 434-5400 and I would be happy to discuss this matter further with you.
>
> Jeff Neuman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steinle@smartvia.de [mailto:steinle@smartvia.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:28 PM
> To: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: jeff.neuman@neulevel.biz
> Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> However I know that there is a "ordinary whois access" and a bulk
> whois
> access.
> All people involved always wrote about bulk whois.
>
> Neulevel Support:
> "ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information for each domain
> name
> we register.
> You may, however, have your domain name removed from the list of bulk
> registration records that we maintain.
> Please contact your Registrar directly if you would like your domain
> name to
> be removed from that list."
>
> I forwarded this message to my Registrar (to have my domains removed
> from
> the list of bulk registration record).
>
> My registrar contacted Neulevel via Phone and wrote following
> sentences: "We
> contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us,
> that this change cannot be done. The previous mail was an failure of
> the
> NEWLEVEL Supporter."
>
> According to NeuLevel (via my Registrar) there is no way to opt-out!
>
> Simon
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. <mailto:michael@palage.com> Palage
> To: steinle@smartvia.de <mailto:steinle@smartvia.de> ; ga@dnso.org
> <mailto:ga@dnso.org>
> Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz <mailto:jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
>
> You are mixing apples with oranges.
>
> Bulk Access DOES NOT EQUAL public access to individual Whois queries
> via
> port 43 or a web based interface.
>
> Both the registrar and registry (in the case of thick registry
> operators)
> are required by ICANN contract to provide whois information in
> response to
> an individual whois query either via port 43 or a web based tool.
> There is
> no opt provision for access to this data.
>
> However, the registrar in his ICANN accreditation agreement is
> required to
> provide "bulk access" to their Whois data (minus those registrants
> that opt
> out) to any party that request it. In return the registrar is able to
> charge
> up to $10,000 annually.
>
> The only way I know of to remove your information from both public
> access
> Whois and Bulk Whois is through Go Daddy's Domain Proxy service.
>
> I hope this helps navigates these complex issues,
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steinle@smartvia.de [mailto:steinle@smartvia.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 8:58 AM
> To: Michael D. Palage; ga@dnso.org
> Cc: jeff.neuman@NeuLevel.biz
> Subject: Re: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
>
> This is what I get from my Registrar and from NeuLevel:
>
>
> Dear Mr. Steinle,
>
> Unfortunatelly we were not able to assert your interests regarding in
> this
> matter.
> We contacted Newlevel via phone and they told us, that this change
> cannot be
> done.
>
> The previous mail was an failure of the NEWLEVEL Supporter.
>
> We apologize for the trouble this may caused.
>
> We really did our best.
>
> Thank you for understanding in this matter.
>
> Should you have any further questions or require any assistance at
> all,
> please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
> With kindest regards,
>
> Your Team @ ...
>
>
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Support" < <mailto:support@neulevel.biz>
> support@neulevel.biz>
> > > > > > > To: < <mailto:steinle@smartvia.de> steinle@smartvia.de>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:47 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: {Registry#213-999} remove bulk access
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Simon-
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ICANN requires that we provide full WHOIS information for
> each
> > domain
> > > > > name
> > > > > > > we register. You may, however, have your domain name
> removed
> from
> > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > of bulk registration records that we maintain. Please
> contact
> your
> > > > > > Registrar
> > > > > > > directly if you would like your domain name to be removed
> from
> > that
> > > > > list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > > > Neulevel Support
> > > > > > > ___________________________________________
> > > > > > > NeuLevel - The home of .biz
> > > > > > > Email: <mailto:support@neulevel.biz>
> support@neulevel.biz
> > > > > > > Web Site: <http://www.neulevel.biz>
> http://www.neulevel.biz
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D. <mailto:michael@palage.com> Palage
> To: steinle@smartvia.de <mailto:steinle@smartvia.de> ; ga@dnso.org
> <mailto:ga@dnso.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [ga] BULK whois
>
> Speaking only on the topic of .info and .biz, it is my understanding
> of the
> contracts that the registries do not have a bulk access per se because
> it is
> the registrars that own the data. Therefore, if one was to purchase
> Network
> Solution's bulk whois data they would be entitled to all ICANN
> sanctioned
> domain names that it sponsors (.com, .org, .net .info, .biz ,etc),
> provided
> that the registrant did not opt out as provided for in the ICANN
> Registrar
> Accreditation Agreement.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@dnso.org [mailto:owner-ga@dnso.org]On Behalf Of
> steinle@smartvia.de
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:04 PM
> To: ga@dnso.org
> Subject: [ga] BULK whois
>
>
> Is there a BULK whois file for .info, .biz and .us like there is one
> for cno
> domains?
> And how could one opt-out of this?
>
> Thanks!
> Simon
>
>
>
Regards,
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