Re: [ga] Karl's latest posting

["L. Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>]

If I am not mistaken, Karl's post was a bit sarcastic in that neither 
ICANN nor the ITU represent the entire user community, but only special 
interests and government respectively.  The users  have no voice in either 
organization.  At least the ITU is obvious, while ICANN continues the sham 
that users are represented by a hand picked committee.  Karl simply 
pointed out that if there were a choice, perhaps the more obvious 
organization would be the choice.  I would be willing to bet he would 
choose neither and still opt for an entity that truly included all of us 
with a direct voice in policy making.

I think you took the bait, Joe.

Leah


On 9 Mar 2003 at 12:03, Joe Sims wrote:

> Karl's latest posting contains his usual careless reasoning.
> 
> He says that the Internet user community is not present in either ICANN or
> the ITU.  Of course, he means by "internet user community" only that
> portion that does not include those segments of the community that he
> constantly ignores -- providers, industry, education, non-commercial orgs.
> In other words, the portion that is not present, according to Karl, is
> individuals acting as individuals.  This may or may not be correct -- it
> depends on whether you accept his nonsensical comparison of the various
> ways for individuals to express their views in ICANN to village soviets --
> but it certainly is not the case that the "internet user community" is not
> present in both organizations.  It certainly is present in both, although
> more visibly and with more authority in ICANN.
> 
> Then he asserts that, since the government role is larger in the ITU than
> in ICANN, the ITU would be the preferred forum for the "internet user
> community" as he defines it because the governmental role is (1) less
> diluted and (2) more formalized in the ITU than in ICANN.  The first point
> is probably correct; governments absolutely control ITU decisions and only
> exercise significant influence on ICANN decisions.  However, many people
> (including large portions of the actual "internet user community," in
> contrast to the one Karl sees) think this is a comparative advantage of
> ICANN.  The second point is utter nonsense, and demonstrates a pretty
> critical lack of understanding of how governments work.  Does Karl actually
> believe that Nancy Victory is not "clearly credentialed" by the US
> government when she sits at the GAC?  Or that Sharil Tarmizi, the current
> Chair of the GAC, is not a legitimate government representative?  How does
> Karl think that governmental delegates to the ITU get selected, and exactly
> how does he think that differs from the selection process for GAC
> representatives?  Does Karl believe that he can exercise more influence
> over Nancy Victory in her activities at the ITU, or of the representative
> from the State Department who is the US delegate to certain ITU fora, than
> he can with respect to the US's activities at ICANN?   I suspect that
> Karl's real problem is that he does not seem to be able to influence
> anyone, including governmental representatives, but I do not think that is
> a function of the forum.
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