[ga] 1:79 CANADA..."This is one of the prices you pay for throwing out the Individual..." ?

["Jim Fleming" <JimFleming@ameritech.net>]

From: "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>
"This is one of the prices you pay for throwing out the Individual..."
===

Joanna,

With all due respect, you may have this backwards. They did not "pay" a price, they reaped profits...
...while telling everyone they are non-profit...public-benefit, etc...

Follow the money...at $250,000 per person per year...a few people are very satisfied with the results...
...and the international vacations all year...
http://www.Montreal.Canada

Jim Fleming
http://www.IPv8.info
1:79 CANADA


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joanna Lane" <jo-uk@rcn.com>
To: "Rick Wesson" <wessorh@ar.com>; "L. Gallegos" <jandl@jandl.com>
Cc: <ga@dnso.org>; <discuss-list@opensrs.org>; <gkirikos@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [ga] Verisign spamming domain name registrants??


> Rick
> > Wesson
> > Leah,
> >
> > organize a protest in Montreal, have real persons picket, if you can just
> > get .0001 of the Internet population to show up in force at a free meeting
> > in Canada I'm sure it would turn some heads and maybe change some minds.
> >
> > -rick
> 
> You organize a protest and don't hold your breath for registrants to step
> foward. This is one of the prices you pay for throwing out the Individual
> Registrants constituency from the GNSO and burying the At Large under
> mountains of ICANN Staff so that any protest that has merit will never see
> the light of day. Too little, too late. Everybody left. Sorry.
> 
> Joanna
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 4 Jun 2003, L. Gallegos wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4 Jun 2003 at 11:39, George Kirikos wrote:
> > >
> > > > It'd be as "personalized" (i.e. unique and targeted) as any of the
> > > > phony renewals notices, I imagine.
> > > >
> > > > Would it be ok for others, following this precedent, to do as Verisign
> > > > does, with their own "informational messages"?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Define "informational messages."  If it means administrative
> > notices, that should
> > > come from the registrar of record for the domain, not the
> > registry.  I am not the
> > > customer of the registry unless it is a "thick" model.
> > >
> > > If a message is issued by the registrar with whom you have the
> > domain, it would be
> > > not only acceptable, but, IMO, expected.  However, coming from
> > the parent registry
> > > with whom you do "not" have a customer/vendor relationship, it
> > is spam.  Even if the
> > > registry (assuming a "thin" model) is instituting changes in
> > policy, it should reach
> > > registrants via the sponsoring registrar.  In the case of a
> > "thick" model, where the
> > > registrant also has a relationship with the registry itself,
> > administrative messages
> > > might be expected from both registrar and registry.
> > >
> > > My domains are registered with a registrar other than NSI and I
> > delete messages
> > > from NSI and/or Verisign.  I get Verisign spams all the time
> > and simply filter them to
> > > dev/null.  Any message I receive from my registrar is opened
> > immediately as long as
> > > there are no attachments and no html.  My mail client is set to
> > read text only and
> > > attachments are stripped or quarantined by my firewall.
> > >
> > > There are many negative issues with WLS.  I have a sick feeling
> > that it's going to
> > > backfire badly and do substantial harm to registrants, along
> > with the extortion
> > > exhibited with RGP.  The unprededented greed is geared to milk
> > the public world
> > > wide until individuals revolt in some way.  How long before
> > this happens?  I don't
> > > know, but we're all in for a rocky ride.
> > >
> > > Leah
> > >
> > >
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