[ga] RE: Who'se done it? .org IDNs killed

["Bruce Beckwith" <bbeckwith@pir.org>]

Marc,

I appreciate your frustration with the problems you're currently
experiencing with your .org IDN domain, and because PIR policy prohibits
discussing specific domain issues with anyone other than the registrant and
registrar, I will not post the exact cause of the issues you're experiencing
on these lists.  I will send you our findings via a separate email.

What I would like to remind you and the community about, however, is that
when PIR assumed responsibility for the .org TLD, we made it clear to our
registrar partners (for communication to their customers) that we would not
support nor charge for existing IDN registrations, since they did not meet
any industry-accepted standards.  In short, IDN domain registrations are
currently locked at the registry level, so that changes to the domain name
record are not allowed.  

As noted by ICANN yesterday, PIR is one of the registries that will work
within the IDN Guidelines produced.  As we determine how best to introduce
IDN registrations that address the needs of the community, as well as how
best to transition the existing legacy .org IDNs, we will be pleased to
communicate our plans.

Regards,

Bruce


Bruce W. Beckwith
VP, Operations
Public Interest Registry
"Serving the Public Interest"

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Schneiders [mailto:marc@fuchsia.bijt.net] 
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 6:45 AM
To: George Kirikos
Cc: ga@dnso.org; discuss@icann-ncc.org; Bruce Beckwith
Subject: Who'se done it? .org IDNs killed

On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, at 11:54 [=GMT-0700], George Kirikos wrote:

> http://www.icann.org/announcements/announcement-20jun03.htm

Great news. On a practical level matters are less great. .org IDNs have
ceased to work months ago, I think. In any case they do not work now. The
whole zone (mltbd.org) is dead. The .com and .net still do fine. Who
pulled the plug? VeriSign? PIR, some clueless sys admin? The domain
mltbd.org (which as said serves for the .org IDNs) is registered to
Beckwith of PIR. The nameservers, however, seem to be VeriSign's.

I contacted PIR about this, did get replies, but none that explained. They
are now investigating for over two weeks and getting back to me for over a
week. So maybe some public pressure is in order. Sorry about that. I don't
accept being left in the blue for long.

Facts I have:

1. My weblogs tell me that mid March requests for .org IDNs still came in.
Those are the last ones. It was working then. After that it must have
died. So initially PIR held on to their promise that the existing .org
IDNs would continue to function. (New ones were not possible anymore after
January 1, 2003.) Now they don't work anymore and PIR doesn't do a thing
about it even after they have been told. It cannot be hard to reinstate
the zone if it was accidently dropped. Doesn't have to take weeks, does
it? So much for stability, stability, stability.

2. The zone for the 'testbed' IDN .org domains (mltbd.org) has nameservers
in the parent zone. These nameservers do not know anything about the zone
now (and didn't when I looked into it two wweks ago and contacted PIR).

One wonders why nobody but me seems to have noticed this. Or did I miss
something?

To be clear: I am talking about DNS, not whois details. These are still in
place.

If this message sounds sour, I am. Even though PIR doesn't charge at the
moment for IDNs in .org, they shouldn't just let them die contrary to
their promises, and without telling those who have these domains.

-- 
[03] I thank you for your time and interest.
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