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[Special Attention Randy Bush] to:Re: [ga] who sets the rules and where's the accountability? - reply to david conrad
Gordon and all, especially Randy Bush,
Randy, I am afraid that the gig is up on this whole mess with the ICANN,
DNSO, ISOC, and the IAHC/gTOD-MoU crowd. It has been too easily
determined by too many folks that this whole situation is a obvious
attempt at capture, and unilateral policy wrangling without the
consent of the Stakeholders what so ever. Face it Randy, Gordon
is right, and I believe that you know it!
Gordon Cook wrote:
> Yo Randy,
>
> your wrote: Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:42:24 -0700
> From: "David R. Conrad" <David_Conrad@isc.org>
> Organization: Internet Software Consortium
> X-Accept-Language: en
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> To: Gordon Cook <cook@cookreport.com>
> CC: "Dr. Victoria Carrington" <drvcarrington@echelon.ca>, ga@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [ga] General Comments on the agenda
>
> Yo Gordo,
>
> Grow up. Not everyone is intent on destroying things they don't agree
> with, but instead try to act constructively.
>
> Regards,
> -drc
>
> definitions of constructively do differ don't they? I have been
> watching heath and roberts and the whole ISOC /IAHC/ICANN crowd
> cynically manipulate this for well over a year. the DNSO has been
> captured by these people well experienced in the arts of virtually
> thuggery. Constructive you say when they own 15 of the 21 seats,
> won't let the non commercial constituteuncy be formed and have denied
> NSI the 3 seats of the GTLD? Divide and subdivide mail lists.
> assign and reassign at will. But what authority? your ability to
> scratch each others backs by nominating each other for starters
> Don't get me started its a waste of my time. But let Michael
> Froomkin rebuff you instead.
>
> Read on for Froomkin's opinion of the crap you would countenance.....
>
> who sets the rules Randy? where the accountability?
>
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> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 09:24:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
> To: "Dr. Victoria Carrington" <drvcarrington@echelon.ca>
> Cc: ga@dnso.org, DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET, list@ifwp.org
> Subject: [IFWP] Mailing lists
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>
> I have found the lists page at dnso.org
>
> Am I allowed to post to any of the working group mailing lists other than
> the public list? Am I a member of any of any subgroups? Am I a
> member of these lists? If not, why not?
>
> I have also received private e-mail from various people who allege they
> were told they could not join WG A. Is this correct that people were
> turned away? If so, can they now be added?
>
> I note further that there is a "no-cross-posts" policy. How then am I to
> bring matters to the attention of the whole group when part of my
> complaint is that certain matters fall outside of any group's
> jurisdiction?
>
> --
> A. Michael Froomkin | Professor of Law | froomkin@law.tm
> U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA
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> Delivered-To: list-outgoing@vrx.net
> Delivered-To: list@vrx.net
> Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 10:24:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From: "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" <froomkin@law.miami.edu>
> To: list@ifwp.org
> Cc: DOMAIN-POLICY@LISTS.INTERNIC.NET, wg-c@dnso.org
> Subject: Re: [IFWP] Javier, what are you doing?
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>
> [someone may need to post this to wg-c@dns.org for me, since I rather
> doubt I'm a member]
>
> I agree that list management has suddenly become a crisis.
>
> There are too many lists. This makes informing oneself hard. It makes
> discussion fractured. It reduces the meaningfulness of consensus.
>
> Not to mention that the lists are hard to subscribe to. (I am utterly
> unclear if I am on any WG-A lists, or even an official member of WGA at
> this point.) If you look at the archives of some lists, it seems as
> though all the postings are by one or two people.
>
> That said, I wonder who will claim there is not a rough consensus on the
> issue of the need for (some sort of) new gTLDs....
>
> On Wed, 14 Jul 1999, Mark C. Langston wrote:
>
> > Javier, I'm confused.
> >
> > First, you complain about people crossposting to wg-c as well as wg-c-1.
> > Then, you personally post one of these crossposts to wg-c-1, even
> > though you've claimed that everyone there would have already received it
> > not once, but twice.
> > ( http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-c-1/Archives/msg00050.html ).
> >
> > For the past day at least, conversations have been taking place regarding
> > the mechanism for determining consensus, without a decision on the
> > mechanism.
> > Last night, you make a call for consensus on one of the questions before
> > wg-c-1 ( http://www.dnso.org/wgroups/wg-c-1/Archives/msg00058.html ).
> > Before, I note, a co-chair for the WG exists, when the model currently
> > under consideration for determining consensus involves the chairs and
> > a Reporter (a position which also has not yet been filled).
> >
> > Yesterday afternoon, I request to be added to wg-c-1, and a few
> > hours later, I request that I be added to wg-c-2.
> > Last night, you add me only to wg-c-2, with no explanation.
> >
> > I'm bothered enough that the pDNC has appointed you, a signatory of the
> > gTLD-MoU, a member of the BoT of ISOC, a member of the PAB and POC, as
> > the chair of the group that will decide questions regarding the existence
> > and management of gTLDs. It troubles me further that you also control
> > the subscription processes surrounding this WG, which you've broken into
> > 4 seperate lists.
> >
> > What, exactly, is going on here?
> >
>
> --
> A. Michael Froomkin | Professor of Law | froomkin@law.tm
> U. Miami School of Law, P.O. Box 248087, Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA
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