Re: [ga] Privacy and Whois databases

[Dan Steinberg <dstein@travel-net.com>]

Actually, thats not quite accurate.  In many jursidictions property
owners can lose their property simply by failing to pay the fees (also
called taxes).  

THe concept of *Ownership* of a domain has been hotly debated over the
past few years, but the bottom line rests with the courts.  US courts
tend to think in terms of ownership , the recent Umbro case coming to
mind.

Per Koelle wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody.
> 
> Please....
> Dont use the word "owner" of a domain !
> The fact is, that you dont "own" anything, but the right to
> use a certain domain.
> IF you were "owner" of a domain, then nobody could take it
> away, just because you didnt pay some fee to the registry.
> You could at the most be "sat on hold", BUT NOT removed.
> I think, that the word "holder" is a much more precice word.
> 
> Regards
> Per Koelle
> DK Hostmaster
> 
> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Annie Renard wrote:
> 
> >
> >  In your previous mail you wrote:
> >
> >            The dot.god and dot.satan top level domains will both support
> >            anonymous registrations.
> >
> >        I'm not familiar with dot.god and dot.satan and some web searches turn
> >       ed
> >        up nothing.  Could you elucidate please?
> >
> >            Any addressing information is between the
> >            registrar and the domain holder, and not the business of anyone el
> >       se.
> >
> >        May I ask on what basis you make this statement?
> >
> >        The agreement that registrars make with ICANN
> >           http://www.icann.org/nsi/icann-raa-28sept99.htm
> >        says in Part F, Public Access to Data on SLD Registrations
> >        that the `name and postal address of the SLD holder' must be listed/ma
> >       de
> >        available in whois.   Admittedly `holder' is somewhat vague and you
> >        might be able to argue that this could be the registrar or some agent
> >        registration, on behalf of the person/organization who actually reques
> >       ted
> >        the domain name and will own it.
> >
> > no, the SLD holder MUST be the registrant (admin contact in the organization
> > requesting the domain name) which own the domain name, not the registrar.
> > There are many problems with some registrars which "keep" the registered
> > domaine name and the registrant have big difficulties to delegate its
> > domain name to another registrar.
> >
> >        I hope so.  I'd very much prefer to not list the domain name owner
> >        contact information, and am searching for arguments to help our legal
> >        folks buy into the idea.
> >
> > in the WHOIS database we need "professional" information of the
> > administrative contact in its organisation, not some "private" information.
> >
> > ---
> >         Annie Renard    [nic@nic.fr]
> >         AFNIC/NIC France
> >       c/o INRIA domaine de Voluceau BP105, 78153 Le Chesnay CEDEX, France
> >       http://www.nic.fr/
> >       Personal Email: Annie.Renard@nic.fr
> >

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