[nc-transfer] FW: Do Not Pass Go! Go directly to www....

["Cade,Marilyn S - LGA" <mcade@att.com>]

I am counting on it  being okay with Loren for me to post this, since it went to a large list.  

Thanks,Loren,for the additional information about what happens in an adjacent service area with toll free numbers which often take on an identity via use, associated advertising, etc.  

Information and facts are helpful to inform the TF's thinking.

Regards, Marilyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Stocker [mailto:loren@800.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:33 AM
To: redeem-comment@icann.org
Subject: Do Not Pass Go! Go directly to www.... 
Importance: High



Dear All,

With all due respect for this effort (redemption grace period), this is a
misguided attempt to right the many wrongs that result from NOT having
subscription rights. I fear, however, that you are all so fixated on 30 days
that you cannot see beyond the horizon of this insufficient, dangerous idea.
Prove-me-wrong!! 

In a nutshell, (1) the time is too short, (2) the focus is misplaced on
process rather than people, and (3) rather than reverse crime, this 30 day
period effectively REWARDS crime. By crime, of course, I mean domain theft

The time-frame is absurd. Anyone with a phone number -- which today are no
more than a listing is a database, i.e. like a domain -- knows that a 30 day
reassignment period is unheard of. Typically, numbers are reassigned after 6,
9 or 12 months. Even U.S. toll-free numbers are effectively 6 months; the
actual deletion period is 120 days but that follows at least 90 days of
internal disconnection (by the carrier). We recommend 6 months after
expiration date.

The focus, of course, is on process and is named "redemption grace period."
Well, isn't this really about people losing their domains to trigger happy
Registrars? Why not refocus this on people and call it, "Subscribers
Reclamation Rights." This broader title covers ALL deletions, including theft
and domains that are "white washed" by crooks after illegal transfers. Please
don't tell me this is so rare as to not be a topic worthy of discussion. I've
had two stolen-- and have been trying for two months to recover one of them
(the other is back). I've got a friend with 20 stolen domains (en mass). I've
heard of dozens more. Theft is real and this proposal is but a band-aid on the
larger problem that is not addressed here. In contrast, Subscription Rights
cover all!

Finally, by defining a 30-day "redemption" period that applies only to
standard deletions, ICANN has effectively defined the STATUS OF LIMITATIONS
FOR THEFT. Taking your lead, Registrars will now assume that any domain stolen
over 30-days ago are not worth bothering with. After all, ICANN, "only gives
you 30-days!" You will have made this a FACT. Well, thank you very much. This
is NOT helpful.

I'm not writing this to complain about your efforts -- which I appreciate --
but to expand your vision. DO NOT PASS THIS NON-SENSE! It is not long enough.
It is not broad enough. It is focused on the irrelevant (Yes, 25 extra days
may help some people, sometimes). Think bigger! Use these discussions to solve
the WHOLE problem. Establish in fact what is only assumed; We have
Subscription Rights. 

Beyond www.evil.biz -- on page 3 -- you will find a full vision for
Subscription Rights. All else follows from our rights. Yes, OUR rights. Yours
and mine. Define them. Revere them. The supporting process will naturally take
shape.

If you got this far, thank you for taking the time to read these comments.
Please got directly to ...

http://www.identities.com/vanity/subrights.htm 

.for our vision of the way things ought to be.

Best, Loren