Re: [nc-whois] TR: [Views On] New WHOIS Database Rules

[Bob Keller <bob@bobknet.com>]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I was going to thank you for your replies, but since they mostly consisted 
of public bickering about the makeup of the WHOIS task force, and not 
substantive replies to my input, I'll just say thanks for the insight.  No 
wonder you folks can't get anything done.  Try focusing on the problem and 
not on your egos.

Bob Keller


At 08:24 AM 4/8/2003, Ruchika  Agrawal wrote:
>Antonio,
>
>I did not assume the position of spokesperson (that certainly was *not* my 
>intention) - I was trying to provide helpful information to Mr. Keller as 
>other members of the now defunct Task Force are also free to do (and I did 
>not privately reply to Mr. Keller; rather I also sent it to nc-whois), and 
>I was notifying Mr. Keller that the WHOIS Task Force is now 
>defunct.  Furthermore, Mr. Keller's email was not filed as a comment - the 
>Secretariat sent it the Task Force's mailing list.  Finally, I don't know 
>what your definition of "defunct" is (and why you would be so offended by 
>my use of it); Webster's Dictionary defines "defunct" as "no longer 
>living, existing, or functioning <the committee is now defunct>".
>
>Mr. Keller - If I gave you the impression that I am the spokesperson for 
>the now defunct WHOIS Task Force, I apologize.  It was not my 
>intention.  I was a representative from the non-commercial constituency on 
>the WHOIS Task Force.
>
>Bruce - My understanding of the WHOIS Task Force is that the final report, 
>the various issues reports and the RIO meeting were the Task Force's last 
>act.  Can you please confirm or otherwise correct my understanding that 
>the WHOIS Task Force is now defunct?
>
>Thanks,
>Ruchika
>
>At 11:55 AM 4/8/2003 -0300, Antonio Harris wrote:
>>Ruchika,
>>
>>It is not clear whether or not you replied directly to
>>Bob Keller, as the message below is not addressed
>>to him. Nonetheless, I dont recall instances wherein
>>individual members of the Whois Task Force
>>took it upon themselves to reply to comments
>>received, and airing their views in that response.
>>
>>I realize it has been difficult for you to accomodate to
>>working with a group, but even the "defunct" status with
>>which you qualify the Whois Task Force, does not
>>free the floor for you to assume the role of spokesman
>>(spokeswoman?) for Whois matters.
>>
>>Since the original message was directed to the DNSO
>>Secretariat, I would like other opinions from the "defunct"
>>Whois Task Force members on the appropriate response
>>to Bob Keller (for the record I agree with his views), if
>>any procedural action is in order. If Bob Keller received
>>Ruchika's reply, then I would propose we send a
>>response that thanks him for his contribution and encourages
>>him to stay tuned to further work on Privacy issues.
>>
>>Tony Harris
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Ruchika Agrawal" <agrawal@epic.org>
>>To: <DNSO.SECRETARIAT@dnso.org>; <nc-whois@dnso.org>
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 10:50 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nc-whois] TR: [Views On] New WHOIS Database Rules
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Mr. Keller,
>> >
>> > While your opinion/perspective is appreciated, policy-development for
>>WHOIS
>> > is not as simple as you've suggested below.  ;)  Please see the Privacy
>> > Issues Report
>><http://www.epic.org/privacy/whois/privacy_issues_report.pdf>
>> > submitted by the non-commercial constituency - it discusses other types of
>> > domain name registrants and other issues that should be considered in
>> > determining appropriate WHOIS policy.
>> >
>> > The WHOIS Task Force is now defunct.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Ruchika
>> >
>> > At 09:17 AM 4/8/2003 +0200, DNSO SECRETARIAT wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > >-----Message d'origine-----
>> > >De : Bob Keller [mailto:bob@bobknet.com]
>> > >Envoye : mardi 8 avril 2003 01:09
>> > >A : secretariat@dnso.org
>> > >Objet : New WHOIS Database Rules
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >Ladies & Gentlemen,
>> > >
>> > >While I support the efforts to achieve a modicum of privacy in WHOIS
>> > >lookups, I think it is also important to have "some" basic and essential
>> > >information on Domain ownership available to the public.  For example, in
>> > >doing business on the Internet, I believe it's important to be able to
>>look
>> > >up who owns a company web site, and where they are located -- for this
>> > >often has a bearing on whether I choose to do business with the company
>>or
>> > >not.
>> > >
>> > >If the Domain Name is registered to a business, or if the domain is
>> > >registered to an individual who is doing business on the Internet, why
>> > >would any legitimate business or business owner NOT want ALL of the
>> > >pertinent information relevant to the business to be available to the
>> > >public?  I would certainly be suspicious of any business that would
>> > >not.  Full disclosure of company information should therefore be
>>mandatory
>> > >in these cases.
>> > >
>> > >However, if a domain is registered to an individual and the site is being
>> > >used for purely for non-commercial purposes, I support restricting the
>> > >available WHOIS ownership information to Name, City and State only -- IF
>> > >the individual desires such privacy.   It should be at the individual's
>> > >option to have the balance of the domain registration information
>> > >displayed.  Technical contact information should be displayed in its
>> > >entirety, since this is often needed to contact web site or E-mail
>> > >administrators, in the event of malfunctions.
>> > >
>> > >Thank you for reviewing my comments.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > >Bob Keller
>> >
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Bob Keller