[registrars] Re: FYI: German State Alters DNS To Censor Web Sites

[Abel Wisman <abel@able-towers.com>]

yes true, however if u read some deeper you will see that it is basically 
started in Switzerland, (aren't they the ones attacked over bankingsecrets 
and still sitting (proven) on billions of dollars formerly pwned by jewish 
ppl ?)  Yahoo fell victim in france together with a french ISP who did not 
block sites in Alaska, when France wanted to do the same as the Swiss, now 
germany and what they basically say is even more scary, as a native of "a" 
country the laws of your country apply to you even abroad, which would mean 
some weird stuff in general and even amusing stuff (can i now forget the 
speed limit when in france if i was german or do i need to do 55 because i am 
a us citizen when traveling in france ?) but mainly scary stuff, since thgey 
use this larw to limit a freedom that is guaranteed  by law in Europe, a law 
to which all those coutries signed.

again; i detest nazi's but i don't like other kind of ppl sometimes, which 
does however not  mean that i think they do not have a right to vent their 
opinion,if the church can speak freely, then why limit others who oppose them?

abel


On Thursday 22 Nov 2001 4:52 pm, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> The implications of this are indeed profound.
>
> Also, to be fair, it should be noted that the original article has since
> been amended to reflect that the alteration to the DNS was performed by a
> technician that wanted to demonstrate that filtering of this nature could
> indeed be done. In other words, this wasn't a state sponsored initiative
> but, the state appears to be intent on pursuing an implementation similar
> to this.
>
> -rwr
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abel Wisman" <abel@able-towers.com>
> To: "Ross Wm. Rader" <ross@tucows.com>; "Registrars@Dnso. Org"
> <registrars@dnso.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: FYI: German State Alters DNS To Censor Web Sites
>
> > Ross and list.
> >
> > to begin with i am not German, so not defending a country or ppl here,
> > however when you deepen your reading (i know i know you need to be able
> > to read in German) you will read that it orignially made to stop traffic
> > to
>
> know
>
> > nazi propaganda sites.
> >
> > nazi propaganda is prohibited in most countries in the EU and even though
>
> i
>
> > do not agree with nazi's and in fact hate time profoundly for what they
>
> did
>
> > to my country  (netherlands) in the 2nd world war and to humanity  in
> > general, i still think they have a right to free speech.
> >
> > It is a sad day indeed to realize we are getting just as worse as those
> > we condemn, perhaps a return to the 60's would clarify some governements
> > that according to the universal human right we are all entitled to free
> > speech.
> >
> > what is next ?
> >
> > the list grows to long, perhaps we should start selling proxies again
> >
> > abel
> >
> >
> > P.S.  Ross, if you want it all translated i can do but need some tme so
>
> will
>
> > be late tonight my time before you get all articles
> >
> > On Thursday 22 Nov 2001 3:28 pm, Ross Wm. Rader wrote:
> > > Who says that the DNS is purely a technical exercise?
> > >
> > > "Rabenwolf writes: "In the German state of North Rhine-Westphalia, the
> > > first ISP (ISIS Multimedia) has given in to pressure from the state
> > > government and has started to block foreign websites with supposedly
> > > "illegal content" by changing the corresponding DNS entries. ISIS
>
> customers
>
> > > trying to access these sites are redirected to the website of the local
> > > government. ISPs in North Rhine-Westphalia will have to pay a fine if
>
> they
>
> > > continue to provide access to sites with "illegal content" through
> > > their DNS servers. It's not as bad as China or Saudi-Arabia, but it
> > > makes you think... An article from the heise newsticker is here, and if
> > > you don't sprechen Deutsch, Google might help."
> > >
> > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/22/1415218&mode=flat
> > >
> > > If anyone has a reasonable translation of the Heise article, I would
>
> love
>
> > > to give it a read.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -rwr
> >
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